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<blockquote data-quote="gribble" data-source="post: 4263877" data-attributes="member: 12430">Except that Str is *strictly* worse than Con, because it doesn't add to starting hp and healing surges. There is absolutely zero mechanical reason for a wizard (or any other class who's powers aren't keyed to Str) to put points in Str instead of Con...There are no fighter class skills, or useful feats for a fighter keyed to Int in 4e. Ingoring the other advantages I've already pointed out that a high Cha gives a fighter in 3e, there is the undeniable fact that one of their class skills (Intimidate) keys off Cha. Try again.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Never said it wasn't (in fact, if you *read* what I posted I actually said it was sub-optimal). What I said was that it was a *viable* option in 3e - it totally isn't in 4e.I did no such thing. As I stated, it was a viable (if not 100% optimal) option for a wizard in 3e. It certainly gave them something to do after their spells were used, and wasn't the total no-brainer that dumping Str is in 4e. In 3e, it was a sub-optimal choice that gave you some additional options and abilities that a wizard dumping Str didn't have. In 4e, it's totally bunk, and doesn't give you *anything* that putting those points in Con doesn't.Nope. A warlord is a leader, which is something this character definitely *wasn't*. He was crazy (part of the reason why he was wading into melee in the first place), and never really considered his allies or tactics beyond &quot;blow it up&quot;!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gribble, post: 4263877, member: 12430"] Except that Str is *strictly* worse than Con, because it doesn't add to starting hp and healing surges. There is absolutely zero mechanical reason for a wizard (or any other class who's powers aren't keyed to Str) to put points in Str instead of Con... There are no fighter class skills, or useful feats for a fighter keyed to Int in 4e. Ingoring the other advantages I've already pointed out that a high Cha gives a fighter in 3e, there is the undeniable fact that one of their class skills (Intimidate) keys off Cha. Try again. :) Never said it wasn't (in fact, if you *read* what I posted I actually said it was sub-optimal). What I said was that it was a *viable* option in 3e - it totally isn't in 4e. I did no such thing. As I stated, it was a viable (if not 100% optimal) option for a wizard in 3e. It certainly gave them something to do after their spells were used, and wasn't the total no-brainer that dumping Str is in 4e. In 3e, it was a sub-optimal choice that gave you some additional options and abilities that a wizard dumping Str didn't have. In 4e, it's totally bunk, and doesn't give you *anything* that putting those points in Con doesn't. Nope. A warlord is a leader, which is something this character definitely *wasn't*. He was crazy (part of the reason why he was wading into melee in the first place), and never really considered his allies or tactics beyond "blow it up"! [/QUOTE]

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