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Obligatory dump stats in 4e: the irrelevance of Intelligence
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<blockquote data-quote="Milambus" data-source="post: 4535101" data-attributes="member: 74238"><p>I'm too lazy to click the Fork button, but I did want to say that I didn't mean to imply that you were having Bad Wrong Fun. It's your game, play it however you like =) </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Six classes out of twelve list Intelligence as one of their Key Abilities. Wizards, Swordmages, Artificers (and it looks like the other Bard build) use Int as their primary attack stat. But it has no value? Over-exaggerate much? </p><p></p><p>There are really only two abilities that every class benefits from, Dex and Con. </p><p></p><p>For Dex, two classes use it as their primary attack stat, and only two other classes even list it as a key ability. </p><p></p><p>Con, only one class uses it as a primary attack stat (Warlock), while 5 others list it as a key ability. The HP benefit from Con also decreases greatly as you gain level (Does anyone think +6 hp from con at level 30 is going to effect than that greatly?) However, the surges you gain will remain valuable through a characters life.</p><p></p><p>With six classes using Strength as their primary attack stat, it is the only one that has more than Intelligence. (Another two list Str for secondary effects.)</p><p></p><p>So if anything I would say that Str is used too much, while Int is more in line with the other stats. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree that Wizards want high initiative, and therefore lower Dex does hurt them.</p><p></p><p>However, I play a Tactical Warlord... and truthfully I don't really care where he comes in the initiative order. A Warlord needs his allies to be around him to gain any benefit from most of his powers. A Warlord acting first, and running off away from his Fighter is crippling himself. Rather to wait until the defends goes out and engages the enemy, then you can come in and Commander's Strike or Wolfpack Tactics (to move the defender into flanking), or whatever.</p><p></p><p>Dex for Heavy Blade Opportunity is another question though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Milambus, post: 4535101, member: 74238"] I'm too lazy to click the Fork button, but I did want to say that I didn't mean to imply that you were having Bad Wrong Fun. It's your game, play it however you like =) Six classes out of twelve list Intelligence as one of their Key Abilities. Wizards, Swordmages, Artificers (and it looks like the other Bard build) use Int as their primary attack stat. But it has no value? Over-exaggerate much? There are really only two abilities that every class benefits from, Dex and Con. For Dex, two classes use it as their primary attack stat, and only two other classes even list it as a key ability. Con, only one class uses it as a primary attack stat (Warlock), while 5 others list it as a key ability. The HP benefit from Con also decreases greatly as you gain level (Does anyone think +6 hp from con at level 30 is going to effect than that greatly?) However, the surges you gain will remain valuable through a characters life. With six classes using Strength as their primary attack stat, it is the only one that has more than Intelligence. (Another two list Str for secondary effects.) So if anything I would say that Str is used too much, while Int is more in line with the other stats. I agree that Wizards want high initiative, and therefore lower Dex does hurt them. However, I play a Tactical Warlord... and truthfully I don't really care where he comes in the initiative order. A Warlord needs his allies to be around him to gain any benefit from most of his powers. A Warlord acting first, and running off away from his Fighter is crippling himself. Rather to wait until the defends goes out and engages the enemy, then you can come in and Commander's Strike or Wolfpack Tactics (to move the defender into flanking), or whatever. Dex for Heavy Blade Opportunity is another question though. [/QUOTE]
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