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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Joe Liker" data-source="post: 6477676" data-attributes="member: 6777505">Actually, no, I never said anything about a case-by-case treatment of blindsight. Other people have, but I have not. I think it works the same for every creature that has it. I think it works as a substitute for sight because that's what the rule says it is. I'm adding no exceptions or stipulations, and I'm not claiming it does anything beyond what it says it does.You, on the other hand, are arguing from the position that your conclusion is true. That's called circular logic, and it proves nothing. For a sound argument, you must start from premises that everyone agrees on (in this case, the words written in the rulebooks) and proceed toward your conclusion.What you are trying to convince me of is that blindsight is the same as x-ray vision. You have given no evidence to support this, but instead you're accepting your own conclusion as a premise, while I'm telling you that your premise itself is flawed. There is nothing in the text that says you can see through solid objects. There are, on the other hand, comparisons to sight and echolocation in the text. I am not the one adding extra traits where they don't exist. I am following what I read in the books.The blindsight entry says nothing about stealth, so there is no reason to believe it has any special interactions with stealth beyond the logical extension that invisibility and darkness (both of which affect vision) will not help you hide from someone with blindsight. It can also negate effects like displacement, blur, gaze attacks, and obviously blindness. But it's not x-ray vision. The ability to see through solid objects is a pretty big deal, so it stands to reason that they would explicitly mention that if it were the case.There's a big thread about this on the Wizards community forums where pretty much everyone agrees that this is how blindsight works, not to mention that this is how blindsight has worked in every previous edition that has it (as well as Pathfinder), so I wouldn't go placing any bets if I were you.</blockquote>

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