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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sithramir" data-source="post: 6482278" data-attributes="member: 12183">You are thinking too one dimensional here. It's not 'seeing' so it doesn't have to be x-ray. It doesn't have to look through anything. It's sensing the movement on the ground, smelling the odor wafting around the rock, hearing the sound of your breathing, etc. It doesn't need to see THROUGH the rock. It uses others NON VISUAL queue's to sense you are there.Seems pretty simple when you think about it. Should it mean no one can sneak up on them? Not necessarily but it's the compilation of the senses that gives blindsense. They use some examples but nowhere does it specifically state a dragon uses only hearing and sight for blindsense or only smell and sight for blindsense, etc. So you'd have to cover all the bases of scent, movement, noise, etc.It's a accumulation of all the senses used at once. I would argue the 3.x Greater invisibility would be the perfect way to say you aren't sensed because it stated specifics like smell weren't sensed also.How do you hide your smell when sneaking from the dragon? I find that hard to do.If hunting a deer you hide the HUMAN scent with another scent that is regularly in the area so said deer won't escape know something is totally out of the ordinary. Plenty of scents in the forest. If i'm a dragon and you're sneaking up on me ANY scent that is different would send alarms off. This is where I would state you clearly can't get surprise on the dragon because it senses you are nearby.Just my thoughts though. Definitely not crystal clear in the rules in that it should state what can and can't be done for something like this.</blockquote>

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