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<blockquote data-quote="Chris_Nightwing" data-source="post: 6039097" data-attributes="member: 882">Ah yes, I didn't make that clear. I went for non-modified best choices, so 1d8/1d6 for TWF, 1d8 for S&amp;B and 1d12 for 2HW. Halflings and Elves are better at TWF. No ability modifier included either.. that makes TWF pretty damned weak when I recalculate with a +2 ability modifier:[code]tohit&nbsp; &nbsp; twf&nbsp; &nbsp; s&amp;b&nbsp; &nbsp; 2hw1&nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.5&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.52&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.22&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.175&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0753&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.48&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.85&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.654&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.78&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.525&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.2255&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.12&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.2&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.86&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.875&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.3757&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.92&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.55&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.958&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.38&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.225&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.5259&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.88&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.9&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.110&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.42&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.575&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.67511&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.25&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.2512&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.62&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.925&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.82513&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.28&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.6&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.414&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.98&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.275&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.97515&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.72&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.95&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.5516&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.5&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.625&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.12517&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.32&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.3&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.718&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.18&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.975&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.27519&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.08&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.65&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.8520&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.02&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.325&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.425&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; With advantage (or negating it for twf)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; tohit&nbsp; &nbsp; twf&nbsp; &nbsp; s&amp;b&nbsp; &nbsp; 2hw1&nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.5&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.52&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.6&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.48375&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.478753&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.2&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.435&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.4154&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.8&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.35375&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.308755&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.4&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.24&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.166&nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.09375&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.968757&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.915&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.7358&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.2&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.70375&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.458759&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.8&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.46&nbsp; &nbsp; 7.1410&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.18375&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.7787511&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.875&nbsp; &nbsp; 6.37512&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.53375&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.9287513&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.16&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.4414&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.8&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.75375&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.9087515&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.315&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.33516&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.84375&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.7187517&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.6&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.34&nbsp; &nbsp; 3.0618&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.2&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.80375&nbsp; &nbsp; 2.3587519&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.8&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.235&nbsp; &nbsp; 1.61520&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.4&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.63375&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.82875[/code]As noted below though, you can 'never have advantage' so the second table is just for pretend.If you removed the disadvantage, as you suggest, then the twf column from table 2 compares pretty damned well to the 2hw column from table 1, but quickly loses out as the ability modifier increases.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chris_Nightwing, post: 6039097, member: 882"] Ah yes, I didn't make that clear. I went for non-modified best choices, so 1d8/1d6 for TWF, 1d8 for S&B and 1d12 for 2HW. Halflings and Elves are better at TWF. No ability modifier included either.. that makes TWF pretty damned weak when I recalculate with a +2 ability modifier: [code]tohit twf s&b 2hw 1 8 6.5 8.5 2 7.22 6.175 8.075 3 6.48 5.85 7.65 4 5.78 5.525 7.225 5 5.12 5.2 6.8 6 4.5 4.875 6.375 7 3.92 4.55 5.95 8 3.38 4.225 5.525 9 2.88 3.9 5.1 10 2.42 3.575 4.675 11 2 3.25 4.25 12 1.62 2.925 3.825 13 1.28 2.6 3.4 14 0.98 2.275 2.975 15 0.72 1.95 2.55 16 0.5 1.625 2.125 17 0.32 1.3 1.7 18 0.18 0.975 1.275 19 0.08 0.65 0.85 20 0.02 0.325 0.425 With advantage (or negating it for twf) tohit twf s&b 2hw 1 8 6.5 8.5 2 7.6 6.48375 8.47875 3 7.2 6.435 8.415 4 6.8 6.35375 8.30875 5 6.4 6.24 8.16 6 6 6.09375 7.96875 7 5.6 5.915 7.735 8 5.2 5.70375 7.45875 9 4.8 5.46 7.14 10 4.4 5.18375 6.77875 11 4 4.875 6.375 12 3.6 4.53375 5.92875 13 3.2 4.16 5.44 14 2.8 3.75375 4.90875 15 2.4 3.315 4.335 16 2 2.84375 3.71875 17 1.6 2.34 3.06 18 1.2 1.80375 2.35875 19 0.8 1.235 1.615 20 0.4 0.63375 0.82875 [/code] As noted below though, you can 'never have advantage' so the second table is just for pretend. If you removed the disadvantage, as you suggest, then the twf column from table 2 compares pretty damned well to the 2hw column from table 1, but quickly loses out as the ability modifier increases. [/QUOTE]

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