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<blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 6041297" data-attributes="member: 17077"><p>Are you suggesting that fighters and wizards are supposed to be superior to other classes?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The rogue has always had certain advantages over a fighter. Whether it's called backstab or sneak attack, a rogue fighting dirty, attacking from ambush, etc. is supposed to out-damage a fighter under those circumstances. If the rogue can never do anything better than a fighter, there's no point in having a rogue class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why should one maneuver be strictly inferior to another? Fighters and Rogues share alot of maneuvers. One character shouldn't be weaker than another because he picked the "wrong" maneuver.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not always the player's decision. If I am an illusionist, my only at-will attack is shocking grasp (and WTH is up with that, shocking grasp has nothing to do with illusions). Yeah, it was my choice to be an illusionist, but still, the rest of the choices are made for me, and I am not at all happy about that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a very unfair characterization. For me, it has nothing to do with power. Cantrips, after all, aren't very powerful. I enjoy having them at-will because of the versatility they offer. I most likely would have taken that feat so I could have a rogue with mage hand or a fighter with light. That's not powerful at all, but it is <em>fun</em> (to me).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Falling Icicle, post: 6041297, member: 17077"] Are you suggesting that fighters and wizards are supposed to be superior to other classes? The rogue has always had certain advantages over a fighter. Whether it's called backstab or sneak attack, a rogue fighting dirty, attacking from ambush, etc. is supposed to out-damage a fighter under those circumstances. If the rogue can never do anything better than a fighter, there's no point in having a rogue class. Why should one maneuver be strictly inferior to another? Fighters and Rogues share alot of maneuvers. One character shouldn't be weaker than another because he picked the "wrong" maneuver. It's not always the player's decision. If I am an illusionist, my only at-will attack is shocking grasp (and WTH is up with that, shocking grasp has nothing to do with illusions). Yeah, it was my choice to be an illusionist, but still, the rest of the choices are made for me, and I am not at all happy about that. That's a very unfair characterization. For me, it has nothing to do with power. Cantrips, after all, aren't very powerful. I enjoy having them at-will because of the versatility they offer. I most likely would have taken that feat so I could have a rogue with mage hand or a fighter with light. That's not powerful at all, but it is [i]fun[/i] (to me). [/QUOTE]
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