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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5790963" data-attributes="member: 54877">Being a guy that learned the hard way (i.e. by experience) how to DM with a bunch of 14-year old friends playing, I've never had a problem with the 15-minute adventuring day. By the time I was playing with adults, I knew how to squash that flat, and rarely needed to anyway. (A little squashing goes a long way.) We have had, however, an immense amount of frustration, off an on, at having to do the things necessary to avoid it. It doesn't have to be perfect--it just has to give us something to work with. Frankly, this bothers the players more than me: Wizard Player: "Well, I could do X, which would pretty much solve this, but the purpose is to have fun fighting this encounter, or finding a clever way around it. So I won't." Cleric Player: "Bummer, you are correct. Guess I won't do Y, either." Fighter Player: "Even if you did, CJ would just have to do one of his patented work-arounds again--which means we'll do some accounting on our character sheets during play, and not gain anything in the end anyway." Wizard Player: "Why did I even select X in the first place?" This is one of the handful of reasons why, for us, 4E leads to more immersive play. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  4E does not solve the 15-minute adventuring day. It answers that last question from the wizard in a just plausible enough manner to keep us from thinking along those lines. That's something, however small.</blockquote>

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