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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hanez" data-source="post: 5791074" data-attributes="member: 82160">It seems like a lot of the changes D&D has seen lately is an attempt to manage the jerk in the group, or the inexperienced DM.Sucks for the groups of friends who play and trust together.  Almost like they have to sacfice old players to get new players.  My local book shop has a D&D day where you play one shots with random DMs.  I would never ever ever consider playing an RPG like that, I want to play with people I like, trust, and with a DM is have some amount of faith in.I imagine if these min maxed classes I hear about online actually are EVER played in reality, then its in these type of "stranger" situations.  With an established group its hard to imagine people playing that.  I remember the errata for 3e that fixed the Druids polymorphy ability.  All for people who were abusing the system and polymorphing into special creatures, for me it would have been fixed with some simple DM discretion, but they had to issue errata.  Almost like its a MMORPG and they have to download a new patch lol.  As for the 15 minute working day, my players try that now and then.  Sometimes its suitable and I allow it, other times they get woken up by prepared dungeon dwellers who stumbled on them.  If theyre suprised they lose an initiative round, and Ive ruled that you can sleep in any thing over hide without deductions, so they lose a round puttin there armor on too (or they fight without it).  Its still a tactic they can use, now and then, but they know there are costs and risks which seems like a good balance to force the mage to not always go nova.</blockquote>

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