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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5791431" data-attributes="member: 9037">I had never heard of the 15 minute work day until I came to the forums. It is just not how we play. The casters don't go nova on every encounter they are holding back spells for later in the day. And if by chance they had to go nova well they spend the rest of the day firing crossbows.As a DM I would not just put the world on hold while the PCs nap things keep going on. Just like if the PCs choose not to follow a clue the bad guys keep on with their plans. I find the fighter class weak he has nothing to do outside of combat he has not one social skill. I have seen rogues out fight fighters not to mention clerics and paladins. Have yet to see a wizard do it though. Some of the things we have done to make the fighter more fun is to open up the skill list. I do not think wizards are the issue if played as designed with the limitations of the class. The issue comes in with the creation of magic items that let the wizard or any caster get around those limitations. I limit it by keeping the action moving so the casters don't have the time to be making a ton of items.I do allow a lot of CLW wands because I have found that limiting healing is a sure fire way to encourage the 15 minute day. A party low on hit points with no healing left is heading for a TPK if they don't stop.  As for the issue of the big spells like teleport our group would never waste it just to get around an encounter we use them as omg we are being killed here run or we have X amount of time to get to the BBEG before he unleashes hell on the world. Also spells like knock have never been an issue the only time they have ever been used was when the party did not have anyone who could pick locks or in an emergency. None of the casters would waste a spell on something that the rogue could do easier and with less cost.While I think 3E has its weird fiddly bits and things needed some fixing I don't find it nearly as broken as a lot of people say it is. Right for us it is the best edition for our role playing tastes.</blockquote>

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