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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 8955895" data-attributes="member: 6684958">I hate how most fiction goes the way of silly, goofy PG-13, at best.&nbsp; The idea that you have action adventure, with just silly slapstick, does not make for an interesting story.&nbsp; In the early 20th century there were not many Forever Heroes.&nbsp; The typical format for radio shows, novels and most of all pulp printed magazines was more the Anthology.&nbsp; &quot;Weird Amazing Stories&quot; would have an adventure with a randomly made character like &quot;Rex Strong&quot; .&nbsp; And roughly half of the stories would have the heroes die.&nbsp; A lot of stories had what most modern people only see in The Twilight Zone...or Black Mirror.&nbsp; Like Rex Strong would save Elle from the evil kidnappers, but shed get bitten by a snake.&nbsp; So Rex would suck out the poison and save her life.....but then die of the poison himself.&nbsp; After a couple years, some characters get popular and become Forever Heroes.&nbsp; Worse, is TV enters the mix.&nbsp; They decide all TV must be happy kids stuff and family stuff.&nbsp; This gives you the standout of the TV Westerns: where guns bang and bad guys just fall down to take naps.&nbsp; Pulp fades, and is replaced by safe comics.&nbsp; Movies are kept &quot;adult&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp; This is kept up until the 80s.&nbsp; While there is silly stuff made for kidz, like GI Joe and He Man, there is also some stuff like famously Transformers The Movie.&nbsp; We also get foreign things...like Robotech: lots of death.&nbsp; And if you watch most &quot;teen&quot; comedy movies from the 80s, they are insanely risky.&nbsp; Also, somehow horror movies escape the blandness.The 90s go overwhelming for the safe rated G stuff.&nbsp; My favorite example is Wolverine from the 90's cartoon.&nbsp; In just about every fight Wolverine would run towards a foe, pop out his claws and look super cool.....and then sheathe his claws and punch the foe with just his fist.&nbsp; And things only get worse from there.While public fiction is stuck in the Rated G soup, RPGs are not like that: you can have real stories.&nbsp; The best thing about a RPG is the emergent story where anything can happen.&nbsp; Including things people don't &quot;want&quot;, like character death.&nbsp; You can get unique stories....the PCs rescue the princess, but right before they get her home...BAM some random monster kill her: where does the story go now?&nbsp; The one player character is the special lost prince chosen one attacks a band of giants alone and is killed: where does the story go now?&nbsp; Though too many games keep it &quot;cinematic&quot;, like a Marvel movie or a cartoon for kids.&nbsp; The PCs can't be killed or even harmed or even slowed down.&nbsp; Much of the game play feels pointless.&nbsp; Sure they take the &quot;10 points of damage&quot; to there character, but it does not matter.&nbsp; Even if the character had only 10 hit points they would just ignore it as no player character can die ever.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 8955895, member: 6684958"] I hate how most fiction goes the way of silly, goofy PG-13, at best. The idea that you have action adventure, with just silly slapstick, does not make for an interesting story. In the early 20th century there were not many Forever Heroes. The typical format for radio shows, novels and most of all pulp printed magazines was more the Anthology. "Weird Amazing Stories" would have an adventure with a randomly made character like "Rex Strong" . And roughly half of the stories would have the heroes die. A lot of stories had what most modern people only see in The Twilight Zone...or Black Mirror. Like Rex Strong would save Elle from the evil kidnappers, but shed get bitten by a snake. So Rex would suck out the poison and save her life.....but then die of the poison himself. After a couple years, some characters get popular and become Forever Heroes. Worse, is TV enters the mix. They decide all TV must be happy kids stuff and family stuff. This gives you the standout of the TV Westerns: where guns bang and bad guys just fall down to take naps. Pulp fades, and is replaced by safe comics. Movies are kept "adult". This is kept up until the 80s. While there is silly stuff made for kidz, like GI Joe and He Man, there is also some stuff like famously Transformers The Movie. We also get foreign things...like Robotech: lots of death. And if you watch most "teen" comedy movies from the 80s, they are insanely risky. Also, somehow horror movies escape the blandness. The 90s go overwhelming for the safe rated G stuff. My favorite example is Wolverine from the 90's cartoon. In just about every fight Wolverine would run towards a foe, pop out his claws and look super cool.....and then sheathe his claws and punch the foe with just his fist. And things only get worse from there. While public fiction is stuck in the Rated G soup, RPGs are not like that: you can have real stories. The best thing about a RPG is the emergent story where anything can happen. Including things people don't "want", like character death. You can get unique stories....the PCs rescue the princess, but right before they get her home...BAM some random monster kill her: where does the story go now? The one player character is the special lost prince chosen one attacks a band of giants alone and is killed: where does the story go now? Though too many games keep it "cinematic", like a Marvel movie or a cartoon for kids. The PCs can't be killed or even harmed or even slowed down. Much of the game play feels pointless. Sure they take the "10 points of damage" to there character, but it does not matter. Even if the character had only 10 hit points they would just ignore it as no player character can die ever. [/QUOTE]

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