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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 8959194" data-attributes="member: 6684958">I guess this is the &quot;factory default&quot; question?&nbsp; I can say a car is &quot;factory default&quot; only if you never ever change anything on the car.&nbsp; But I'm not sure where your examples is going?I feel like your out on some way far out tangent.&nbsp; I don't care at all about what other people think of anything.&nbsp; But I guess your doing a version of my Bicycle Example, that I use when people tell me &quot;D&amp;D is broken&quot; or &quot;monks are weak&quot; or &quot;whatever is whatever because of the game rules&quot;.&nbsp; My response is my Bicycle Example.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is how you choose to use the rules effects the game.&nbsp; You get a Bicycle, carry it over to a trail full of deep thick mud.&nbsp; You set the bike down, get on it and sink and get stuck in the mud: then say &quot;the Bicycle is Broken&quot;.&nbsp; It's not the bike, it's how you are using it.&nbsp; But what are you getting at?I for one would LOVE to have this so called Middle point.&nbsp; If someone could give it to me.As you can see I run an extremely Hard Fun Old School&nbsp; Unfair Unbalanced game.&nbsp; It drives lots of players away.&nbsp; And drives drama up to 11, for&nbsp; he makesexample Jill is one of my regular players: her husband hates the way I run the game and refuses to game with us.&nbsp; So he makes weekly drama as he follows his wife around to rant, complain and be toxic(until the game starts and I can toss him out).I love the True Randomness of Anything can happen.&nbsp; I even hold it up as an alternative to all other fiction.&nbsp; I also find Character Death any time makes players care more about their character AND has them pay attention during the game at all times.But, where is the middle ground?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 8959194, member: 6684958"] I guess this is the "factory default" question? I can say a car is "factory default" only if you never ever change anything on the car. But I'm not sure where your examples is going? I feel like your out on some way far out tangent. I don't care at all about what other people think of anything. But I guess your doing a version of my Bicycle Example, that I use when people tell me "D&D is broken" or "monks are weak" or "whatever is whatever because of the game rules". My response is my Bicycle Example. That is how you choose to use the rules effects the game. You get a Bicycle, carry it over to a trail full of deep thick mud. You set the bike down, get on it and sink and get stuck in the mud: then say "the Bicycle is Broken". It's not the bike, it's how you are using it. But what are you getting at? I for one would LOVE to have this so called Middle point. If someone could give it to me. As you can see I run an extremely Hard Fun Old School Unfair Unbalanced game. It drives lots of players away. And drives drama up to 11, for he makesexample Jill is one of my regular players: her husband hates the way I run the game and refuses to game with us. So he makes weekly drama as he follows his wife around to rant, complain and be toxic(until the game starts and I can toss him out). I love the True Randomness of Anything can happen. I even hold it up as an alternative to all other fiction. I also find Character Death any time makes players care more about their character AND has them pay attention during the game at all times. But, where is the middle ground? [/QUOTE]

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