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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 6235563" data-attributes="member: 7808"><p>If I may take this in a slightly more serious direction: you are not like the Misfit Toys. The toys were outcasts because they were rejected by society. You were outcasts because you rejected society. Those are two very different things.</p><p></p><p>If I had to summarize the root cause of why some people (i.e. me) found you most obtrusive when you came to ENWorld, it's because you expected us to conform to your social norms rather than you conforming to ours. ENWorld is a long standing community with our own formal rules, etiquette, and informal traditions. When you first showed up, you didn't just break societal norms, you generally refused to accept that they existed before you got here. For more than a month, there was no attempt to assimilate into our culture, just a desire to find a new home for yours. Every time someone posted that we should "join the OTTers" or something similar, it boiled my blood a bit because it was obvious you cared more about where you were from than where you were at. You may have thought you were coming to ENWorld as refugees, but you really came across as invaders.</p><p></p><p>And, as an aside, I use the term "you" here to refer to all the OTT group. And while that may be stereotyping, it's a stereotype that you started. You came to the boards with a home-made label, so you can't be upset when other people use the label, too.</p><p></p><p>That being said, I think you all have come a long way at integrating. It took some time, but most of you have actually become part of ENWorld. Obviously, there have been varying degrees of success (with some people being lost along the way), and there's still some roughness around some edges, but I think you're on the right track. There are some people who came here from OTT that I don't even recognize as being OTTers anymore. You have been able to discuss things without devolving into mindless arguing, you found your own place to go for stuff that doesn't belong here, and you have started to learn when to let things go.</p><p></p><p>And that last point brings me to my thesis statement: If you want to truly become part of this community, you're going to have to let a few more things go. Stop thinking of yourselves as unfairly prosecuted Misfits. You don't have to let go of your friends, but you do have to let go of your personal labels that only serve to separate you from others.</p><p></p><p>And most importantly <strong><em>let this thread die</em></strong>. Seriously, stop bumping it. Its only purpose at this point is to stand as some pillar to your self imposed martyrdom. Keeping it at the top of the forum can only serve to identify yourselves as something other than ENWorlders, and maintain the fences that separate us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 6235563, member: 7808"] If I may take this in a slightly more serious direction: you are not like the Misfit Toys. The toys were outcasts because they were rejected by society. You were outcasts because you rejected society. Those are two very different things. If I had to summarize the root cause of why some people (i.e. me) found you most obtrusive when you came to ENWorld, it's because you expected us to conform to your social norms rather than you conforming to ours. ENWorld is a long standing community with our own formal rules, etiquette, and informal traditions. When you first showed up, you didn't just break societal norms, you generally refused to accept that they existed before you got here. For more than a month, there was no attempt to assimilate into our culture, just a desire to find a new home for yours. Every time someone posted that we should "join the OTTers" or something similar, it boiled my blood a bit because it was obvious you cared more about where you were from than where you were at. You may have thought you were coming to ENWorld as refugees, but you really came across as invaders. And, as an aside, I use the term "you" here to refer to all the OTT group. And while that may be stereotyping, it's a stereotype that you started. You came to the boards with a home-made label, so you can't be upset when other people use the label, too. That being said, I think you all have come a long way at integrating. It took some time, but most of you have actually become part of ENWorld. Obviously, there have been varying degrees of success (with some people being lost along the way), and there's still some roughness around some edges, but I think you're on the right track. There are some people who came here from OTT that I don't even recognize as being OTTers anymore. You have been able to discuss things without devolving into mindless arguing, you found your own place to go for stuff that doesn't belong here, and you have started to learn when to let things go. And that last point brings me to my thesis statement: If you want to truly become part of this community, you're going to have to let a few more things go. Stop thinking of yourselves as unfairly prosecuted Misfits. You don't have to let go of your friends, but you do have to let go of your personal labels that only serve to separate you from others. And most importantly [B][I]let this thread die[/I][/B]. Seriously, stop bumping it. Its only purpose at this point is to stand as some pillar to your self imposed martyrdom. Keeping it at the top of the forum can only serve to identify yourselves as something other than ENWorlders, and maintain the fences that separate us. [/QUOTE]
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