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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1046838" data-attributes="member: 6875">I beg to differ.  My post may not have been nice and tea-party-polite, but it was hardly laced with ridicule.  If you feel ridiculed, I would suggest it is perhaps more because you recognise your own error, than that I have acted to ridicule you.First of all, "Arthropods" include spiders, insects, lobsters, crabs, lice, fleas, etc.  In fact, as far as I can tell, the primary difference between a marine arthropod, a.k.a. a crustacean, and "insects", is, wether or not they live in the ocean.<a href="http://tolweb.org/tree?group=Arthropoda&contgroup=Animals" target="_blank">This site</a> has a nice little chart on the relationship between (for example) lobsters and insects, vs insects and spiders.While they are, of course, not the same thing -- it is clearly not so different as you would have us believe.  And, though this may come as a surprise to you, insects and crustaceans are very closely related to each other, as well as sharing many physiological and structural similarities.Not quite accurate; insects have six LEGS (beign a part of the group hexapoda).  A limb can inclide manipulators.  Humans have four LIMBS, but only two legs, and two arms.Define limb.  Many insects have structures around their mouths that look and act like miniature arms.  Then there are the feelers/antennae.  Not to mention wings.What, following the rules as written instead of staring vacantly at the pretty pictures (ALERT now I'm ridiculing you!), is now "exploiting the words" ... ?No additional attacks means only that; the presence or absence of those arms has no affect on teh creature's number of attacks.  I.e., an Insectile Tiger doesn't gain four more claw attacks.  And insectile Vampire doesn't gain four mroe slam attacks.Nothing says you cannot expend the requisite feats to successfully and efficiently wield weaponry in each and every one of those arms.  If they had intended that meaning to be conveyed, they would have used wording similar to that of the Fang of Llolth prestige class, which does say the extra limbs cannot wield weapons (though, with the Opposable weapon enhancement in Masters of the Wild, even that limitation can be overcome).Right.  His intelligent choice of TACTICS, and/or selection of feats, however, may enable him to do so.  Ergo, use of the Multiweapon Fighting rules.Nothing in the Insectile template says which arm must be used to wield a weapon; nothing in the template says the extra arms are incapable of fine manipulation, even to that needed to wield a weapon, cast a spell, etc.I have.  Unlike you, I'm also not reading more than is there.  Since you are ... hmm, maybe that explains why you tend to stick to looking at the pictures, hmm? (and yes, that's also intentional ridicule -- IMO, you've earned it, and then some!).Use the rules as written.  Use ONLY the rules.  Use nothing more, and nothing less, than what is published.  IF you wish to argue that the Insectile template should have had a higher Level Adjustment (an argument, frankly, which I would agree with) ... go ahead.I personally think it should have been a +3, maybe a +4.  If I allowed it IMC at all, I'd set it at one or the other, in fact.But that doesn't affect how many arms the insectile creature has, nor does it prevent them from expending the feats neccessary to wield that many weapons at once.FWIW, the insectile kobold duellist didn't fare very well; he simply became the target of disarm and sunder attempts.  Strip the swords away, and his AC plummets ...Or, just drop some area-effect spells on him, ro such.  No big deal.</blockquote>

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