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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bigbaddragon" data-source="post: 3674933" data-attributes="member: 53881">Grease is a pretty good first level spell and very annoying too, if someone is using it against you.Other than that, has anyone thought about whip using bard with improved trip, a wand of enlarge person and one level of marshal (in order to get the aura that gives Charisma bonus to trip attempts). This would give the bard 25 feet reach and d20 + str + cha + 8 (and possibly another +4 from that alternative class feature that was mentioned previously)to trip attempts.Now, a question to you all: How much sense does it make to you that whip deals nonlethal damage?</blockquote>