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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 6485349" data-attributes="member: 54629">OK, so if we use the CR 6 mage as an example, that's probably one cone of cold and two upscaled fireballs (at 4th level). Those are all AoE spells, so I assume they hit two creatures each. Do I count the damage for them separately? As in, take the average damage of each spell, multiply by 2, then divide by 3? If so, that gives me a total of 66. That would put the MM mage's offensive CR at 9 (while its defensive CR is only 1/2, as far as I can tell), which gives it a final CR of 4.75, which is a bit on the low side but not by much.Now, unfortunately for my NPC, he is an enchanter with very few spells that actually deal any damage, so his CR is going to be substantially lower than the generic mage, I think. I'll post his specifics after dinner.EDIT: OK, here is:AC 12 (15 w/ mage armor; +5 from shield)HP 40 (9d8)STR 9 DEX 14 CON 11 INT 17 WIS 12 CHA 14Instinctive CharmSpellcasting (8th level; DC 14; +6 to hit)Cantrips: fire bolt, message, prestidigitation, shocking grasp1st Level (4 slots): charm person, mage armor, shield2nd Level (3 slots): blur, misty step, suggestion3rd Level (3 slots): counterspell, fly, hypnotic pattern4th Level (2 slots): confusion, greater invisibilityHe also has a magic staff that lets him cast the light cantrip, plus color spray 2/day and dimension door 1/day.His cantrips are his main source of damage output, although spells like confusion and his Instinctive Charm ability can potentially lead to indirect damage. Still, his offensive capabilities are pretty low.Should I be factoring spells like blur, shield and counterspell into his defensive CR (via effective hit points)? What about spells like charm person, suggestion and hypnotic pattern - they're not damage dealers, and they don't add to his defense directly, but they can potentially prevent damage by stopping enemies from attacking.What would you say this guy's CR is?EDIT 2: I wonder if maybe I should give this guy some bracers of defense and boost his Con to 12 to give him some more hit points, thereby hopefully increasing his defensive CR and thus hopefully his overall CR. I was hoping to keep it around CR 6 like the NPC mage I based him on, but that doesn't seem likely at this point unless I drastically revise his stats.</blockquote>

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