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<blockquote data-quote="Zaruthustran" data-source="post: 3415586" data-attributes="member: 1457"><p>That lone glossary reference--not found anywhere in the SRD--makes for some shaky rules territory.</p><p></p><p>Funny how the FAQ makes no mention of handedness. In both it and the actual rules chapters, the only reference to "off-hand" is in situations involving TWF. </p><p></p><p>Seems reasonable, then, that the -4 only applies to off-hand attacks--and since the rules only mention off-hand attacks when talking about TWF, the -4 only applies in cases of TWF. </p><p></p><p>The most common method of TWF is a weapon in either hand, with the primary weapon usually held in the right hand. Which means the "off-hand" weapon--the weapon used to make the extra attack--is most commonly held in the left hand. We know that extra attack takes a -4 penalty: the TWF penalty table shows that.</p><p></p><p>Here's a situation where a constant handedness modifier (a modifier outside of TWF) would surely have been mentioned, if it existed: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A search for "handedness" in the SRD, PHB Errata, and FAQ turns up zero entries. A search for "left" turns up just a few hits, all related to "left out", or "left the area", or "points left". Handedness just doesn't exist in D&D. </p><p></p><p>You're welcome to use the glossary as a basis for a major rule impact. But be aware that -4 to all attacks made with the left hand--always, even in cases of a single attack--is a big deal, and not mentioned anywhere else in the book.</p><p></p><p>The chapters on ability scores don't mention right- or left-handed characters, or impose penalties to, say, picking a lock with the left hand or lifting a weight with the left hand. The rules for Strength mention a lower Strength bonus to "Off-hand attacks", which--when one looks up "off-hand attacks"--references only the extra attack gained when TWFing. </p><p></p><p>Shaky territory to claim that left-hand attacks always get a penalty, even when making just a single attack.</p><p></p><p>Me, I need to see rules in the SRD or in the chapters of the rulebook. Not just an appendix.</p><p></p><p>-z</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zaruthustran, post: 3415586, member: 1457"] That lone glossary reference--not found anywhere in the SRD--makes for some shaky rules territory. Funny how the FAQ makes no mention of handedness. In both it and the actual rules chapters, the only reference to "off-hand" is in situations involving TWF. Seems reasonable, then, that the -4 only applies to off-hand attacks--and since the rules only mention off-hand attacks when talking about TWF, the -4 only applies in cases of TWF. The most common method of TWF is a weapon in either hand, with the primary weapon usually held in the right hand. Which means the "off-hand" weapon--the weapon used to make the extra attack--is most commonly held in the left hand. We know that extra attack takes a -4 penalty: the TWF penalty table shows that. Here's a situation where a constant handedness modifier (a modifier outside of TWF) would surely have been mentioned, if it existed: A search for "handedness" in the SRD, PHB Errata, and FAQ turns up zero entries. A search for "left" turns up just a few hits, all related to "left out", or "left the area", or "points left". Handedness just doesn't exist in D&D. You're welcome to use the glossary as a basis for a major rule impact. But be aware that -4 to all attacks made with the left hand--always, even in cases of a single attack--is a big deal, and not mentioned anywhere else in the book. The chapters on ability scores don't mention right- or left-handed characters, or impose penalties to, say, picking a lock with the left hand or lifting a weight with the left hand. The rules for Strength mention a lower Strength bonus to "Off-hand attacks", which--when one looks up "off-hand attacks"--references only the extra attack gained when TWFing. Shaky territory to claim that left-hand attacks always get a penalty, even when making just a single attack. Me, I need to see rules in the SRD or in the chapters of the rulebook. Not just an appendix. -z [/QUOTE]
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