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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7770867" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>I watched the whole thing. At no point did he discuss the relationship between 'taking a bonus action whenever you like, once you have one!' and Extra Attack.</p><p></p><p>Discussing Shield Master, he said that you don't have the bonus action shield shove until you've actually attacked using the Attack action, because 'taking the Attack action' IS making an attack using that action.</p><p></p><p>He said it's the same thing. There is no 'declare actions, then execute actions' in 5e like there used to be in 1e and 2e. 'Taking the Action' IS 'doing the thing that the Action allows', so the game itself treats 'executing the things allowed by the Action you took' to be one and the same thing as 'taking an Action'.</p><p></p><p>Except....Dash (you take the Action and nothing happens; you can just move further. You don't have to have used up your normal move before you are allowed to take the Dash action), Disengage (you don't have to immediately move out of a foes reach as soon as you take this Action. You can take the Disengage action and then attack, draw another weapon, attack again, <em>then</em> move out of a foe's reach), Dodge (you take the Dodge action and...nothing happens...for the rest of your turn...and maybe not at all. The only thing that <em>might</em> happen is that <em>if</em> you are attacked-probably not on your own turn-then the attack roll is made with disadvantage. The Dodge does <strong>not</strong> happen at the same time you 'take the Dodge action! To design it to work that way, it would be a Reaction, not an Action).</p><p></p><p>And, with Extra Attack, you can attack once as the very first thing you do, move your move divided up as you wish, and attack a second time six seconds later. Are we seriously saying that you literally cannot do anything between those attacks except move? Can't you use your free object interaction to draw another weapon? Can't you drop something? Can't you take a bonus action, even though the rules actually <strong>do</strong> say that you can take bonus actions whenever you like on your turn, and do <strong>not</strong> say that 'actions are indivisible'?</p><p></p><p>How come JC didn't mention this in the video? How come he didn't mention either the indivisibility of actions or anything about having to complete ALL of your attacks before the shield shove?</p><p></p><p>Perhaps he was in line at Trader Joe's when he suggested the 'indivisible action' thing...!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7770867, member: 6799649"] I watched the whole thing. At no point did he discuss the relationship between 'taking a bonus action whenever you like, once you have one!' and Extra Attack. Discussing Shield Master, he said that you don't have the bonus action shield shove until you've actually attacked using the Attack action, because 'taking the Attack action' IS making an attack using that action. He said it's the same thing. There is no 'declare actions, then execute actions' in 5e like there used to be in 1e and 2e. 'Taking the Action' IS 'doing the thing that the Action allows', so the game itself treats 'executing the things allowed by the Action you took' to be one and the same thing as 'taking an Action'. Except....Dash (you take the Action and nothing happens; you can just move further. You don't have to have used up your normal move before you are allowed to take the Dash action), Disengage (you don't have to immediately move out of a foes reach as soon as you take this Action. You can take the Disengage action and then attack, draw another weapon, attack again, [i]then[/i] move out of a foe's reach), Dodge (you take the Dodge action and...nothing happens...for the rest of your turn...and maybe not at all. The only thing that [i]might[/i] happen is that [i]if[/i] you are attacked-probably not on your own turn-then the attack roll is made with disadvantage. The Dodge does [b]not[/b] happen at the same time you 'take the Dodge action! To design it to work that way, it would be a Reaction, not an Action). And, with Extra Attack, you can attack once as the very first thing you do, move your move divided up as you wish, and attack a second time six seconds later. Are we seriously saying that you literally cannot do anything between those attacks except move? Can't you use your free object interaction to draw another weapon? Can't you drop something? Can't you take a bonus action, even though the rules actually [b]do[/b] say that you can take bonus actions whenever you like on your turn, and do [b]not[/b] say that 'actions are indivisible'? How come JC didn't mention this in the video? How come he didn't mention either the indivisibility of actions or anything about having to complete ALL of your attacks before the shield shove? Perhaps he was in line at Trader Joe's when he suggested the 'indivisible action' thing...! [/QUOTE]
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