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<blockquote data-quote="Asgorath" data-source="post: 7773260" data-attributes="member: 6921966"><p>But that's not what happened here. It would be one thing if JEC said in 2017 or 2018 "hey everyone, turns out that my old ruling in 2015 meant the Shield Master feat was massively overpowered, so I'm going to nerf it into the ground by enforcing a new timing requirement. The next errata will change the wording of the feat so that you only get to shove if 3 members of your party dance in a circle for 10 rounds." or something like that. That would indicate a change in his position on the rule.</p><p></p><p>In 2017, he clarified the "if X then Y" means X has to happen before Y for bonus actions. This is an important foundational rule that applies to many things, as indicated by the Sage Advice compendium:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Given the fact he still didn't remember he even tweeted about Shield Master in 2015, Shield Master slipped through the cracks and he had to tweet about it in 2018 (I believe in response to someone from these forums asking about his 2017 ruling in relation to the feat). Once he realized he had made an incorrect tweet, he corrected it. Since that point, he's been very vocal about the fact that he made a mistake, and that his 2015 tweet was flat-out incorrect and should be ignored. The Sage Advice compendium has now been updated with a clarification to avoid any confusion on the matter. I'd like to believe that JEC and WOTC have the intellectual honesty to be up front about cases where they are changing rules. I really see no sign that this is what happened in relation to Shield Master, though.</p><p></p><p>For those that are still playing the Shield Master shove as coming before the Attack action, do you use the Sage Advice compendium for anything else? And if so, what is special about this particular ruling that makes you believe it's incompatible with the words in the PHB?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asgorath, post: 7773260, member: 6921966"] But that's not what happened here. It would be one thing if JEC said in 2017 or 2018 "hey everyone, turns out that my old ruling in 2015 meant the Shield Master feat was massively overpowered, so I'm going to nerf it into the ground by enforcing a new timing requirement. The next errata will change the wording of the feat so that you only get to shove if 3 members of your party dance in a circle for 10 rounds." or something like that. That would indicate a change in his position on the rule. In 2017, he clarified the "if X then Y" means X has to happen before Y for bonus actions. This is an important foundational rule that applies to many things, as indicated by the Sage Advice compendium: Given the fact he still didn't remember he even tweeted about Shield Master in 2015, Shield Master slipped through the cracks and he had to tweet about it in 2018 (I believe in response to someone from these forums asking about his 2017 ruling in relation to the feat). Once he realized he had made an incorrect tweet, he corrected it. Since that point, he's been very vocal about the fact that he made a mistake, and that his 2015 tweet was flat-out incorrect and should be ignored. The Sage Advice compendium has now been updated with a clarification to avoid any confusion on the matter. I'd like to believe that JEC and WOTC have the intellectual honesty to be up front about cases where they are changing rules. I really see no sign that this is what happened in relation to Shield Master, though. For those that are still playing the Shield Master shove as coming before the Attack action, do you use the Sage Advice compendium for anything else? And if so, what is special about this particular ruling that makes you believe it's incompatible with the words in the PHB? [/QUOTE]
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