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<blockquote data-quote="Asgorath" data-source="post: 7774067" data-attributes="member: 6921966">I thought I was quite clear in my previous post.&nbsp; I was objecting to the notion that actions last as long as their effects, as this makes no sense for the Dodge and Disengage actions.&nbsp; I think I've explained in a large amount of detail why I think that actions simply have no implicit duration, or why duration even matters here.&nbsp; Please show me the text in the PHB that talks about action duration, and I'd be happy to discuss further.&nbsp; Otherwise, I'm sticking with my interpretation that your turn is simply made up of a strictly ordered list of discrete elements, as this avoids all problems of action duration, nested actions, concurrent actions, Schrodinger's Shove and so on.As I said yesterday, I've given up trying to convince all the folks who think you can Shield Master shove before attacking.&nbsp; You're all very clearly set in your ways in respect to that feat.&nbsp; I just think it's completely nonsensical, but we can agree to disagree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Asgorath, post: 7774067, member: 6921966"] I thought I was quite clear in my previous post. I was objecting to the notion that actions last as long as their effects, as this makes no sense for the Dodge and Disengage actions. I think I've explained in a large amount of detail why I think that actions simply have no implicit duration, or why duration even matters here. Please show me the text in the PHB that talks about action duration, and I'd be happy to discuss further. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my interpretation that your turn is simply made up of a strictly ordered list of discrete elements, as this avoids all problems of action duration, nested actions, concurrent actions, Schrodinger's Shove and so on. As I said yesterday, I've given up trying to convince all the folks who think you can Shield Master shove before attacking. You're all very clearly set in your ways in respect to that feat. I just think it's completely nonsensical, but we can agree to disagree. [/QUOTE]

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