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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7774327" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Oh, really? Which ruling is that? I didn’t know there was one about how the whole game was designed to work. Btw, did you know this thread is about the recent update to the Sage Advice Compendium?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Take out the word <em>eventually</em>, and you’ve got it, X for the Shield Master shove being “you take the Attack action on your turn”. If you do, then you can (on your turn). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because the condition isn’t “you will travel alone at some point in the future”. It’s “you <strong>are traveling</strong> alone,” which implies that the action is ongoing and concurrent with the benefit being gained. Verb tense matters.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>There are a few reasons why I don’t think you can do that. First, “the saving throw” obviously refers back to the DEX saving throw in the condition, so you wouldn’t be eligible to receive this benefit on a CON saving throw. Second, a reaction, by definition, "is an instant response to a trigger of some kind," and in this case the trigger is the situation described in the condition. You can't respond to something that hasn't happened yet. Also, the verb tense used doesn't agree with your reading. I.e., "are subjected to" is not "will be subjected to".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a conditional statement. X must be true for Y to be true. Any effect that allows a saving throw is not sufficient. It must be an effect that allows a DEX saving throw, and you must be subjected to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For the umpteenth time, that's a blatant mischaracterization of what I'm suggesting, and in this case, taking no damage instead of half damage isn't something you can normally do, whereas shoving a creature is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If "you take the Attack action on your turn" is true, then that's something that's true of your turn in its entirety. It can't be both true of your turn and not true of the same turn. You either take the Attack action on your turn, or you don't take the Attack action on your turn. If I have a turn in which I take the Attack action, then I can use a bonus action to shove a creature on that turn.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it doesn't because traveling alone three years from now doesn't make "you are traveling alone" true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you can't because being subjected to an effect that allows you to make a DEX save for half damage at some future time doesn't make "you are subjected to an effect that allows you to make a Dexterity saving throw to take only half damage" true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your examples are nonsense that needlessly bogs down the conversation. It is not nonsense, however, that taking the Attack action at any time on your turn makes "you take the Attack action on your turn" true.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7774327, member: 6787503"] Oh, really? Which ruling is that? I didn’t know there was one about how the whole game was designed to work. Btw, did you know this thread is about the recent update to the Sage Advice Compendium? Take out the word [I]eventually[/I], and you’ve got it, X for the Shield Master shove being “you take the Attack action on your turn”. If you do, then you can (on your turn). Because the condition isn’t “you will travel alone at some point in the future”. It’s “you [B]are traveling[/B] alone,” which implies that the action is ongoing and concurrent with the benefit being gained. Verb tense matters. There are a few reasons why I don’t think you can do that. First, “the saving throw” obviously refers back to the DEX saving throw in the condition, so you wouldn’t be eligible to receive this benefit on a CON saving throw. Second, a reaction, by definition, "is an instant response to a trigger of some kind," and in this case the trigger is the situation described in the condition. You can't respond to something that hasn't happened yet. Also, the verb tense used doesn't agree with your reading. I.e., "are subjected to" is not "will be subjected to". It's a conditional statement. X must be true for Y to be true. Any effect that allows a saving throw is not sufficient. It must be an effect that allows a DEX saving throw, and you must be subjected to it. For the umpteenth time, that's a blatant mischaracterization of what I'm suggesting, and in this case, taking no damage instead of half damage isn't something you can normally do, whereas shoving a creature is. If "you take the Attack action on your turn" is true, then that's something that's true of your turn in its entirety. It can't be both true of your turn and not true of the same turn. You either take the Attack action on your turn, or you don't take the Attack action on your turn. If I have a turn in which I take the Attack action, then I can use a bonus action to shove a creature on that turn. No, it doesn't because traveling alone three years from now doesn't make "you are traveling alone" true. No, you can't because being subjected to an effect that allows you to make a DEX save for half damage at some future time doesn't make "you are subjected to an effect that allows you to make a Dexterity saving throw to take only half damage" true. Your examples are nonsense that needlessly bogs down the conversation. It is not nonsense, however, that taking the Attack action at any time on your turn makes "you take the Attack action on your turn" true. [/QUOTE]
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