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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7775611" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>You don't even realise you're doing it, do you? You don't even realise that at the same time as you are insisting that you treat ALL actions the same-by doing what that action says on that tin-you THEN go on to treat the Attack action <strong>as if</strong> it said that the Attack action IS the 'attack' itself. But it doesn't!</p><p></p><p>That's why it's special pleading! There is <strong>no</strong> wording under the entry for the Attack action, or anywhere else in the PHB, which says that! But you are insisting that you are just doing what it says on the tin!</p><p></p><p>But it does <strong>not</strong> say that, on that tin or anywhere else!</p><p></p><p>If it does, quote it!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since my position is that Actions In Combat are NOT the same thing as the elements they allow-for the Attack action, the Dodge action, or for any other Action In Combat-it's not the Action that lasts, but the game element which lasts.</p><p></p><p>I am consistent. This is true for both the Dodge action AND the Attack action, and all the others, because there is nothing written on any of their tins which says otherwise!</p><p></p><p>IF you were to rule that ALL actions ARE their game elements, then you would shoot yourself in the foot, because the Dodge, Dash and Disengage actions would not work.</p><p></p><p>IF you treat ONLY the Attack action as if it were the attack(s), then <em>you are adding those words to the tin yourself!</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So...if you are focused <em>entirely</em> on avoiding attacks, that means if you Dodge as a bonus action you cannot take any other action until your next turn....right? Just what it says on the tin? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're doing what <em>you</em> wrote on the tin! The rules don't actually say what you claim!</p><p></p><p>I really can't stress this enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7775611, member: 6799649"] You don't even realise you're doing it, do you? You don't even realise that at the same time as you are insisting that you treat ALL actions the same-by doing what that action says on that tin-you THEN go on to treat the Attack action [b]as if[/b] it said that the Attack action IS the 'attack' itself. But it doesn't! That's why it's special pleading! There is [b]no[/b] wording under the entry for the Attack action, or anywhere else in the PHB, which says that! But you are insisting that you are just doing what it says on the tin! But it does [b]not[/b] say that, on that tin or anywhere else! If it does, quote it! Since my position is that Actions In Combat are NOT the same thing as the elements they allow-for the Attack action, the Dodge action, or for any other Action In Combat-it's not the Action that lasts, but the game element which lasts. I am consistent. This is true for both the Dodge action AND the Attack action, and all the others, because there is nothing written on any of their tins which says otherwise! IF you were to rule that ALL actions ARE their game elements, then you would shoot yourself in the foot, because the Dodge, Dash and Disengage actions would not work. IF you treat ONLY the Attack action as if it were the attack(s), then [i]you are adding those words to the tin yourself![/i] So...if you are focused [i]entirely[/i] on avoiding attacks, that means if you Dodge as a bonus action you cannot take any other action until your next turn....right? Just what it says on the tin? You're doing what [i]you[/i] wrote on the tin! The rules don't actually say what you claim! I really can't stress this enough. [/QUOTE]
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