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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7776042" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>Thanks! Natural Language FTW!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. One consequence of that is that a rule which says something has no power to prevent other rules from making exceptions. If it did then the whole 'specific beats general' would be impossible.</p><p></p><p>So, the rule which allows movement between attacks in no way <em>forbids</em> another rule that allows something else to happen between attacks!</p><p></p><p>That other rule is the rule that lets you take your bonus action when you like on your turn.</p><p></p><p>To imagine that the rule that <em>allows</em> movement between attacks somehow <em>forbids</em> other rules from allowing other things to <em>also</em> happen between attacks-the things that the new rule specifically allows-goes against the whole 'specific beats general' game system.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's imagine that the intent of Shield Master was that the bonus action shield shove had to be paired with the Attack action, but that you could freely choose the order of attack(s)/shield shove. How would they write this, in 'natural language', without making it unreadable or increasing the page count?</p><p></p><p>You want the bonus action shield shove to be freely taken whenever you want during your turn, just like the other bonus actions. But you want to make sure that it can only be taken in the same round that you also take the Attack action.</p><p></p><p>Hmmm. How about this: "If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield."</p><p></p><p>Yes, that does it perfectly! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>It tells us that we can take a bonus action shield shove, but only if you <em>also</em> take the Attack action on your turn.</p><p></p><p>We know from understanding the English language that an 'if...then...' statement is not a statement of causality requiring a temporal order. It says what it needs to in as short a sentence as possible.</p><p></p><p>Job done!</p><p></p><p>What could possibly go wrong...?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7776042, member: 6799649"] Thanks! Natural Language FTW! Yes. One consequence of that is that a rule which says something has no power to prevent other rules from making exceptions. If it did then the whole 'specific beats general' would be impossible. So, the rule which allows movement between attacks in no way [i]forbids[/i] another rule that allows something else to happen between attacks! That other rule is the rule that lets you take your bonus action when you like on your turn. To imagine that the rule that [i]allows[/i] movement between attacks somehow [i]forbids[/i] other rules from allowing other things to [i]also[/i] happen between attacks-the things that the new rule specifically allows-goes against the whole 'specific beats general' game system. Let's imagine that the intent of Shield Master was that the bonus action shield shove had to be paired with the Attack action, but that you could freely choose the order of attack(s)/shield shove. How would they write this, in 'natural language', without making it unreadable or increasing the page count? You want the bonus action shield shove to be freely taken whenever you want during your turn, just like the other bonus actions. But you want to make sure that it can only be taken in the same round that you also take the Attack action. Hmmm. How about this: "If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield." Yes, that does it perfectly! ;) It tells us that we can take a bonus action shield shove, but only if you [i]also[/i] take the Attack action on your turn. We know from understanding the English language that an 'if...then...' statement is not a statement of causality requiring a temporal order. It says what it needs to in as short a sentence as possible. Job done! What could possibly go wrong...? [/QUOTE]
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