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<blockquote data-quote="Reaper Steve" data-source="post: 4387981" data-attributes="member: 51528">Better, but they need to try again, and fast, before they publish it in errated books. (Well, they have already provided a new table to cut and paste--which is a great move--but the system still needs work and I hope they are willing to continue to fix it.)IMHO:1) The pendulum swung too far and now the DCs are too low.2) Letting characters opt to not participate defeats a major purpose of the challenge. (For that matter, I don't think Aid Another is appropriate for skill challenges.)While I have only read it, I think Stalker0 nailed the correct way to do a skill challenge in his Obsidian system. Every character makes the same number of checks. The # of failures doesn't matter, instead the total number of successes determines the overall level of success.WotC would do well to adopt that system (or at least the framework) and give him credit (just like they credited the dude who owns the 'Shadowfell' website.)&nbsp;WotC... (assuming you are reading this thread) please continue to fix the skill challenge system! As it stands, all it does is set a low DC for the best skilled character to achieve X successes before 3 failures. It is no longer a party challenge system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reaper Steve, post: 4387981, member: 51528"] Better, but they need to try again, and fast, before they publish it in errated books. (Well, they have already provided a new table to cut and paste--which is a great move--but the system still needs work and I hope they are willing to continue to fix it.) IMHO: 1) The pendulum swung too far and now the DCs are too low. 2) Letting characters opt to not participate defeats a major purpose of the challenge. (For that matter, I don't think Aid Another is appropriate for skill challenges.) While I have only read it, I think Stalker0 nailed the correct way to do a skill challenge in his Obsidian system. Every character makes the same number of checks. The # of failures doesn't matter, instead the total number of successes determines the overall level of success. WotC would do well to adopt that system (or at least the framework) and give him credit (just like they credited the dude who owns the 'Shadowfell' website.) WotC... (assuming you are reading this thread) please continue to fix the skill challenge system! As it stands, all it does is set a low DC for the best skilled character to achieve X successes before 3 failures. It is no longer a party challenge system. [/QUOTE]

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