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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 4577134" data-attributes="member: 996">Yes.&nbsp; There are only two kinds of concealment in 4e - concealment and total concealment - if a character is in a stinking cloud or other effect that blocks line of sight, but at the edge of it (that is, adjacent to one or more squares that do not block line of site), then lines from other squares to the corners of his do not all pass through the line-of-sight-blocking effect, thus, he has concealment, not total concealment.&nbsp; Similarly, he can pick a corner of his square on the outter edge of the effect when figuring concealment he faces -so he likely faces none when attacking enemies outside the cloud.If you mean they are adjacent to eachother, then, the one in the cloud has concealment, the one outside does not.&nbsp; If the one inside the cloud isn't on the edge of the cloud - thus, not adjacent to the one outside the cloud, both have no LoS to eachother (total concealment).This is, perhaps, a bit iffier, but you could rule they both merely have concealment, if you wanted.&nbsp; I think, technically, they would both have total concealment, unless the effect said otherwise.I tend to think the damaging effect of the cloud happens on the victims turn.&nbsp; So, if you move into it on your own turn or start your turn in the cloud (perhaps because you were moved into it out of turn) you take damage, otherwise, you don't. However, it would be equally fair to rule that the cloud is hindering terrain, inflicts damage the moment you enter for any reason, and that you get a save to fall prone outside the cloud any time an effect would force you to enter it.You mean all at once, like using a slide effect to move them back and forth along the edge?&nbsp; No, that's just silly.&nbsp; Though, this does illustrate one of the advantage of the damage-only-on-the-victim's-turn interpretation, above, as this is a non-issue under that interpretation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 4577134, member: 996"] Yes. There are only two kinds of concealment in 4e - concealment and total concealment - if a character is in a stinking cloud or other effect that blocks line of sight, but at the edge of it (that is, adjacent to one or more squares that do not block line of site), then lines from other squares to the corners of his do not all pass through the line-of-sight-blocking effect, thus, he has concealment, not total concealment. Similarly, he can pick a corner of his square on the outter edge of the effect when figuring concealment he faces -so he likely faces none when attacking enemies outside the cloud. If you mean they are adjacent to eachother, then, the one in the cloud has concealment, the one outside does not. If the one inside the cloud isn't on the edge of the cloud - thus, not adjacent to the one outside the cloud, both have no LoS to eachother (total concealment). This is, perhaps, a bit iffier, but you could rule they both merely have concealment, if you wanted. I think, technically, they would both have total concealment, unless the effect said otherwise. I tend to think the damaging effect of the cloud happens on the victims turn. So, if you move into it on your own turn or start your turn in the cloud (perhaps because you were moved into it out of turn) you take damage, otherwise, you don't. However, it would be equally fair to rule that the cloud is hindering terrain, inflicts damage the moment you enter for any reason, and that you get a save to fall prone outside the cloud any time an effect would force you to enter it. You mean all at once, like using a slide effect to move them back and forth along the edge? No, that's just silly. Though, this does illustrate one of the advantage of the damage-only-on-the-victim's-turn interpretation, above, as this is a non-issue under that interpretation. [/QUOTE]

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