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<blockquote data-quote="Hambot" data-source="post: 4590329" data-attributes="member: 61484">There are so many minor inconsistencies in the rules that reading them letter by letter tends to cause more confusion than it solves.&nbsp; DracoSuave, You can quote the stuff on page 273, but also note that it also says &quot;you can see a goblin standing at teh edge of a fog cloud, but the fog makes him a shadowy figure, giving him concealment&quot;.As you have so rightly pointed out, this doesn't make any sense RAW based on the preceeding paragraphs.&nbsp; But remember the environment these were published in - the whole thing had to be printed a month of so ahead of schedule, and huge chunks of the ruleset were changing WEEKLY.Of course it wont make sense.&nbsp; And the powers wont be consistent every time with correct wording due to the constant changes they were going through.&nbsp; But from the example given, they want foggy clouds to use the simplest concealment rules possible, while the line of sight thing clarifies that you can't see right through the whole cloud.There's lots in the 4e ruleset that gives us headaches, so we're all struggling to interepret intent on a regular basis.The only right answer is what the DM decides, based on conflicting info.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hambot, post: 4590329, member: 61484"] There are so many minor inconsistencies in the rules that reading them letter by letter tends to cause more confusion than it solves. DracoSuave, You can quote the stuff on page 273, but also note that it also says "you can see a goblin standing at teh edge of a fog cloud, but the fog makes him a shadowy figure, giving him concealment". As you have so rightly pointed out, this doesn't make any sense RAW based on the preceeding paragraphs. But remember the environment these were published in - the whole thing had to be printed a month of so ahead of schedule, and huge chunks of the ruleset were changing WEEKLY. Of course it wont make sense. And the powers wont be consistent every time with correct wording due to the constant changes they were going through. But from the example given, they want foggy clouds to use the simplest concealment rules possible, while the line of sight thing clarifies that you can't see right through the whole cloud. There's lots in the 4e ruleset that gives us headaches, so we're all struggling to interepret intent on a regular basis. The only right answer is what the DM decides, based on conflicting info. [/QUOTE]

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