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<blockquote data-quote="Seeker_of_Truth" data-source="post: 4313261" data-attributes="member: 69900"><p>A new question on damage and Keywords.</p><p></p><p>I asked</p><p>[sblock]</p><p>The new Dragon_364 class acts article on illusions has several examples of spells that do psychic damage, but do not have the psychic keyword.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080616" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080616</a></p><p></p><p>The players handbook has no examples of of powers that deal damage of a type that is not also a keyword for that power, and reading page 55 could suggest that a power that deal a particular type of damage must have that keyword.</p><p></p><p>To further complicate things apparently different custserv reps have given different answers on this subject that have been posted on the boards (copied below).</p><p></p><p>Does "Illusory Ambush" from the dragon article have the psychic keyword even though it isn't listed?</p><p></p><p>Does the "Psychic Lock" (PHB pg 205) work with "Illusory Ambush" to provide a -4 penalty to the targets attack on it's next turn.</p><p></p><p>Are dragon magazine articles going to receive the kind of support that other published material will receive (errata, FAQs etc)?</p><p></p><p>If damage type is not strictly tied to the power's keywords how does this affect resistances and vulnerabilities? Page 55 seems to indicate it's tied to the keyword, while page 276 mentions only damage type.</p><p></p><p>Thank You,</p><p></p><p>James</p><p>_______________________</p><p>Quote:</p><p>Originally Posted by squirloid</p><p>This is a two-part question, with the second question dependent on the answer to the first.</p><p></p><p>(A) Page 55 of the PHB strongly suggests that a spell which does damage of a given type also gains the keyword of that type. To whit: "For instance, a power that deals acid damage is an acid effect and thus has the acid keyword." Literally, if it deals acid damage then it gains the acid keyword. Is this a correct reading of this passage, and is the implication general (if a power deals x damage type, it gains the x keyword)?</p><p></p><p>(B) If A is not true, does that mean that a power which doesn't have the x keyword but deals x type damage isn't subject to vulnerability or immunity, as per the next paragraph: "Keywords help to determine how, or if, a power works when the target has resistance, vulnerability, or immunity to a damage type or an effect..."? This line of thought is continued in the subsequent paragraph, and strongly implies that resistance/immunity/et al. only look at the keywords to determine their effectiveness. So, hypothetically, if a power deals acid damage but does not have the Acid keyword, a creature who is immune to Acid still takes full damage from the power?</p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Originally Posted by Paul@CustServe</p><p>Thank you for writing. That is true. If you look at the first level daily power of acid arrow, Acid is a keyword listed in the text.</p><p></p><p></p><p>___________________________</p><p>By Stardock</p><p>Question</p><p></p><p>if a power deals a certain type of damage does it have that keyword? For instance if a power deals fire damage does it have the fire keyword?</p><p></p><p>I'm trying to understand how keywords work in relation to damage types.</p><p></p><p>Answer</p><p></p><p>Greetings,</p><p></p><p>Even though powers that deal a particular type of damage will often have the appropriate keyword to that damage, it doesn't necessarily have to have that keyword. Thanks for contacting us.</p><p></p><p>Tony</p><p>Customer Service Representative</p><p></p><p>********************</p><p>Page Number: 55</p><p>Book Name: PHB 4E & Dragon 364 Class Acts</p><p>[/sblock]</p><p></p><p>they answered</p><p>[sblock]</p><p>James,</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the great feedback! We’ve passed this along to the good folks that make the games and hopefully we’ll see some errata covering this situation soon. Until then, it is up to your Dungeon Master to determine how he/she wants to handle this particular situation in their campaign.</p><p></p><p>I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused.</p><p></p><p>We would appreciate your feedback on the service we are providing you. Please click here to fill out a short questionnaire.</p><p></p><p>To login to your account, or update your question please click here.</p><p></p><p>Joe</p><p>Customer Service Representative</p><p>Wizards of the Coast</p><p>1-800-324-6496 (US and Canada)</p><p>425-204-8069 (From all other countries)</p><p>Monday-Friday 9am-6pm PST / 12pm-9pm EST[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Seeker_of_Truth, post: 4313261, member: 69900"] A new question on damage and Keywords. I asked [sblock] The new Dragon_364 class acts article on illusions has several examples of spells that do psychic damage, but do not have the psychic keyword. [url]http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080616[/url] The players handbook has no examples of of powers that deal damage of a type that is not also a keyword for that power, and reading page 55 could suggest that a power that deal a particular type of damage must have that keyword. To further complicate things apparently different custserv reps have given different answers on this subject that have been posted on the boards (copied below). Does "Illusory Ambush" from the dragon article have the psychic keyword even though it isn't listed? Does the "Psychic Lock" (PHB pg 205) work with "Illusory Ambush" to provide a -4 penalty to the targets attack on it's next turn. Are dragon magazine articles going to receive the kind of support that other published material will receive (errata, FAQs etc)? If damage type is not strictly tied to the power's keywords how does this affect resistances and vulnerabilities? Page 55 seems to indicate it's tied to the keyword, while page 276 mentions only damage type. Thank You, James _______________________ Quote: Originally Posted by squirloid This is a two-part question, with the second question dependent on the answer to the first. (A) Page 55 of the PHB strongly suggests that a spell which does damage of a given type also gains the keyword of that type. To whit: "For instance, a power that deals acid damage is an acid effect and thus has the acid keyword." Literally, if it deals acid damage then it gains the acid keyword. Is this a correct reading of this passage, and is the implication general (if a power deals x damage type, it gains the x keyword)? (B) If A is not true, does that mean that a power which doesn't have the x keyword but deals x type damage isn't subject to vulnerability or immunity, as per the next paragraph: "Keywords help to determine how, or if, a power works when the target has resistance, vulnerability, or immunity to a damage type or an effect..."? This line of thought is continued in the subsequent paragraph, and strongly implies that resistance/immunity/et al. only look at the keywords to determine their effectiveness. So, hypothetically, if a power deals acid damage but does not have the Acid keyword, a creature who is immune to Acid still takes full damage from the power? Quote: Originally Posted by Paul@CustServe Thank you for writing. That is true. If you look at the first level daily power of acid arrow, Acid is a keyword listed in the text. ___________________________ By Stardock Question if a power deals a certain type of damage does it have that keyword? For instance if a power deals fire damage does it have the fire keyword? I'm trying to understand how keywords work in relation to damage types. Answer Greetings, Even though powers that deal a particular type of damage will often have the appropriate keyword to that damage, it doesn't necessarily have to have that keyword. Thanks for contacting us. Tony Customer Service Representative ******************** Page Number: 55 Book Name: PHB 4E & Dragon 364 Class Acts [/sblock] they answered [sblock] James, Thanks for the great feedback! We’ve passed this along to the good folks that make the games and hopefully we’ll see some errata covering this situation soon. Until then, it is up to your Dungeon Master to determine how he/she wants to handle this particular situation in their campaign. I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. We would appreciate your feedback on the service we are providing you. Please click here to fill out a short questionnaire. To login to your account, or update your question please click here. Joe Customer Service Representative Wizards of the Coast 1-800-324-6496 (US and Canada) 425-204-8069 (From all other countries) Monday-Friday 9am-6pm PST / 12pm-9pm EST[/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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