AustEvergreen
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If you like it then go ahead a buy it.
Too stupid. hmmm. Seems to me your a big part of that!
Too stupid. hmmm. Seems to me your a big part of that!
OGC and what a RPG should be?
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herald
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AustEvergreen
Hmm, been a long time since any one called me a young man. I guess by some peoples standards that I am. But after 35 years, I guess young man is alittle... off. I guess it could be worse, you could have called me boy.
And I do find it interesting that you have finally managed to bring someone who actually makes 3rd party software into the discussion. Irronically he seems to be put off by you.
But here is the real irony on the whole debate that you put forward. Your topic is OGC and what a RPG should be. By looking at the topic, it would appear that you wanted to talk about Open Game Content and you have haven't even go the decency to do any research about the OGL.
And that is what I have to say is so strange, I mean you and your one man crusade to boycott WOTC is sad. Has anyone contacted you to start this operation?
Right now over at the WOTC there getting ready to release a patch that will improve e-tools. Davin Church has had a sneek peek at the patch and has writen a free 3rd party app that will allow people to enter and edit....classes.....
Now, I know I used the word "stupid", but I didn't use it to describe you. I may have wondered about you but hey welcome to the internet. Hollywood thinks that there is something wrong with me to.
So AustEvergreen, let me get this straight, you want to bring in all the off topic referances you want but your going to knock me for going out of my way for explaining why I have an insite and understanding of a subject.
Well AustEvergreen, you've just proven one thing, you can't be reasoned with and all your trying to do is grandstand to get some king of sympothy and support.
If all you are going to do protest until the cows come home, I'm more than happy to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
I support the OGL, I support the D20 and I support WOTC.
Hmm, been a long time since any one called me a young man. I guess by some peoples standards that I am. But after 35 years, I guess young man is alittle... off. I guess it could be worse, you could have called me boy.
And I do find it interesting that you have finally managed to bring someone who actually makes 3rd party software into the discussion. Irronically he seems to be put off by you.
But here is the real irony on the whole debate that you put forward. Your topic is OGC and what a RPG should be. By looking at the topic, it would appear that you wanted to talk about Open Game Content and you have haven't even go the decency to do any research about the OGL.
And that is what I have to say is so strange, I mean you and your one man crusade to boycott WOTC is sad. Has anyone contacted you to start this operation?
Right now over at the WOTC there getting ready to release a patch that will improve e-tools. Davin Church has had a sneek peek at the patch and has writen a free 3rd party app that will allow people to enter and edit....classes.....
Now, I know I used the word "stupid", but I didn't use it to describe you. I may have wondered about you but hey welcome to the internet. Hollywood thinks that there is something wrong with me to.
So AustEvergreen, let me get this straight, you want to bring in all the off topic referances you want but your going to knock me for going out of my way for explaining why I have an insite and understanding of a subject.
Well AustEvergreen, you've just proven one thing, you can't be reasoned with and all your trying to do is grandstand to get some king of sympothy and support.
If all you are going to do protest until the cows come home, I'm more than happy to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
I support the OGL, I support the D20 and I support WOTC.
Fast Learner
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Well, since you don't have the last word anymore AE (which I'm totally cool with), I think your post was great.
It points out to me -- and perhaps this is what you were going for all the time and I missed it, which is entirely possible -- that you're trying to say that you feel hurt, that it is perhaps logically unreasonable, but that your feelings are still valid.
With that I most certainly agree.
I was under the impression that you were trying to say that from some objective sense of justice and right (or even from society's perspective) that you were hurt and that we should agree that WOTC was wrong.
I absolutely believe you have a total right to feel hurt.
It points out to me -- and perhaps this is what you were going for all the time and I missed it, which is entirely possible -- that you're trying to say that you feel hurt, that it is perhaps logically unreasonable, but that your feelings are still valid.
With that I most certainly agree.
I was under the impression that you were trying to say that from some objective sense of justice and right (or even from society's perspective) that you were hurt and that we should agree that WOTC was wrong.
I absolutely believe you have a total right to feel hurt.
AustEvergreen
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I have to appologize for the hot response to DMFTodd. Usually I'd say calling someone stupid is the last response of someone without a valid arguement. But then Here I am calling him stupid.
DMFTodd can be upset with me if he wants. I imagine I've made no friends at any of the 3rd party shops. That's fine. I'd prefer he'd taken his rudeness and crudeness elsewhere but hey. I think they're too afraid wotc will pull the whole rug out from under them.
DMFTodd. I request you take it elsewhere.
Herald. Really. Please forgive me for being a bit off my original topic. I didn't know where we'd wind up after everyone's opinion was posted. The heart of the matter is that (some) people are upset about what was done (obviously not you). They had a legal right to do what they did. No question. Should they have given this more thoght before they did it. I think so. I'd venture you think not. I'm sure if you re-read the entire thread and give it some thought you'll see you have changed my opinion somewhat but come on. Do you really expect the legal and moral arguement to matter? If someone thinks this is a bad move on wotc's part the legal moral stuff doesn't even come into the picture. And Yes, I did come looking for some support. A one man boycott's like one person playing twister. Seems it's not there though. Sad. Is that you're best shot. ranks up there with calling someone stupid, and for the same reason. All right no more of that.
I've gotten a bit hot over some things said and if I've offended anyone with my comments, sorry. Will I recieve appolgies for things said about me. I doubt it.
I've (virtually) stood out here and let all of you take shots at me for some time. I had to be stubborn to withstand the barrage. Though I'll admit I came with some stubborness before hand. I don't think you can get too far without the fortitude to keep your opinion where it's valid despite opposition. Or should I fold at the slightest perception of dissagreement from someone else. I don't percieve your arguements are valid. The nature of my reaction to this precludes the possibility of my seeing your arguements as valid.
I stand by my offer over making a pole to find out what the majority opinion is here. I doubt you'll take me up on it.
More negative comments about my stubborness and or stupidity I'll deem show a lack of any type of intelligence or class.
I have to appologize for the hot response to DMFTodd. Usually I'd say calling someone stupid is the last response of someone without a valid arguement. But then Here I am calling him stupid.
DMFTodd can be upset with me if he wants. I imagine I've made no friends at any of the 3rd party shops. That's fine. I'd prefer he'd taken his rudeness and crudeness elsewhere but hey. I think they're too afraid wotc will pull the whole rug out from under them.
DMFTodd. I request you take it elsewhere.
Herald. Really. Please forgive me for being a bit off my original topic. I didn't know where we'd wind up after everyone's opinion was posted. The heart of the matter is that (some) people are upset about what was done (obviously not you). They had a legal right to do what they did. No question. Should they have given this more thoght before they did it. I think so. I'd venture you think not. I'm sure if you re-read the entire thread and give it some thought you'll see you have changed my opinion somewhat but come on. Do you really expect the legal and moral arguement to matter? If someone thinks this is a bad move on wotc's part the legal moral stuff doesn't even come into the picture. And Yes, I did come looking for some support. A one man boycott's like one person playing twister. Seems it's not there though. Sad. Is that you're best shot. ranks up there with calling someone stupid, and for the same reason. All right no more of that.
I've gotten a bit hot over some things said and if I've offended anyone with my comments, sorry. Will I recieve appolgies for things said about me. I doubt it.
I've (virtually) stood out here and let all of you take shots at me for some time. I had to be stubborn to withstand the barrage. Though I'll admit I came with some stubborness before hand. I don't think you can get too far without the fortitude to keep your opinion where it's valid despite opposition. Or should I fold at the slightest perception of dissagreement from someone else. I don't percieve your arguements are valid. The nature of my reaction to this precludes the possibility of my seeing your arguements as valid.
I stand by my offer over making a pole to find out what the majority opinion is here. I doubt you'll take me up on it.
More negative comments about my stubborness and or stupidity I'll deem show a lack of any type of intelligence or class.
This is a PUBLIC message board. If you don't want reponses to what you post, you can (A) Stop Posting or (B) Move it somplace PRIVATE.
If that someone is a spoiled 8-year-old, then yes. If the someone in question is a mature adult, then no, the legal and moral explanations should hold more weight than some emotional, baseless, uninformed position.
*Slightest* perception? No.
Some *ONE* else? No.
If no one agrees with me, if multiple people disagree with me, if multiple people give concise explanations why I am wrong; then I start to reconsider my position. Your mileage my vary.
I would think that reponses to your posts would have given you some clue but if you want to post a poll, be my guest. After all, it's a public forum. You don't need my permission.
herald
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AustEvergreen,
You've already made it clear that you have a low opinion of me, to which makes not one differance to me one way or the other.
I haven't called you stubborn or stupid, so once again. I have said that you can't be reasoned with. I have pointed many differant sources of information that explain im much better terms the situation that WOTC, and the OGL are in. And you don't seem to want to even acknowledge that they exist.
I will ask you again, Have you gone over and read the messages over at the list servers at http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/index.html
This is the difinative place to go about OGC. It explained why things aren't OGC and why some things are.
So address me if you will. Feel free to make me look like a bad guy. Heck, continue with you discussion if you wish.
You opened the topic with OGC and what a RPG should be? So please do yourself a favor and give it a read.
You've already made it clear that you have a low opinion of me, to which makes not one differance to me one way or the other.
I haven't called you stubborn or stupid, so once again. I have said that you can't be reasoned with. I have pointed many differant sources of information that explain im much better terms the situation that WOTC, and the OGL are in. And you don't seem to want to even acknowledge that they exist.
I will ask you again, Have you gone over and read the messages over at the list servers at http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/index.html
This is the difinative place to go about OGC. It explained why things aren't OGC and why some things are.
So address me if you will. Feel free to make me look like a bad guy. Heck, continue with you discussion if you wish.
You opened the topic with OGC and what a RPG should be? So please do yourself a favor and give it a read.
Henry
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This thread REALLY sounds like it's run its course, and has little to contribute other than flaming. Austevergreen, I will say that I as a fan of PCGen followed their developments with WotC very closely, and currently the PCGen staff has a very positive relationship with WOtC. All indication is that the removed splatbook material will eventually added into OGC, but not just for PCGen. Many things take time, but I am willing to give those directly concerned both the time and the benefit of the doubt.
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