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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6180590" data-attributes="member: 57383">That pretty much is a Green Man with the serial numbers filed off. I'd just use that, possibly with some minor tweaking.There's nothing about a torso stuck on a second torso in the description of the Quadruped trait, all it has is "Members of this race possess four legs and two arms", which basically is what a Green Martian has when it switches into walk-on-all-fours mode.Secondly, there are a lot of illustrations of Green Martians that pretty much show them with a humanoid torso stuck on top of another humanoid torso - the Sean Reynold's conversion you quoted has one such by Michael Whelan from the cover of Gods of Mars. Presumably the Green Martian folds somewhere between these two "torsos" when running on all fours.However the pertinent point is that the proposed "Semi-Quadruped" trait gives the Green Martian several advantages that the standard Quadruped trait doesn't, so it ought to have a higher RP value. Wielding large weapons instead of Medium ones is a significant advantage, and you've also added a CMD bonus to Bull Rush and cancelled their AC penalty (which should really still apply since they're still Large - a Centaur doesn't ignore that size penalty because its a quadruped).If the longswords and longspears are Medium sized than the Green Martian will have a -2 penalty to attack for using an Inappropriately Sized Weapon:Quoting Pathfinder's <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html" target="_blank">Equipment Rules</a>:Inappropriately Sized Weapons:  A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized  for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size  category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the  size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the  weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.Rather than Medium sized Longsword a Large multiarmed creature is better off using a Large sized Shortsword - same damage and threat range but no inappropriate size penalty.Incidentally, according to the Equipment Rule-As-Written, a Longspear has a 10 ft. Reach but can't attack an adjacent opponent. If we applied that literally, a Green Martian would be better off with a standard Spear, since they can still attack out to 10 ft. (since they have Reach), but can also attack an adjacent square and throw the spear.That doesn't change the problem that mechanically there seems no reason that only "particularly skilled" Green Martians use three or four weapons instead of two, since they have the same penalties whether they wield 2, 3, or 4 weapons at once. They get the same -6 penalty for ALL of their offhands because they have Multiweapon Fighting.Hmm, one solution would be to give the basic Green Martian a bonus feat of Two-Weapon Fighting instead, then it would be able to wield two weapons proficiently, but only an skillful Green Martian (e.g. one that had gained the Multiweapon Fighting feat) would use three or four weapons in combat.That ought to be legal since bonus feats don't need to follow a feat's normal Prereqs.</blockquote>

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