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<blockquote data-quote="jezter6" data-source="post: 2766555" data-attributes="member: 6567"><p>Agreed. The OP was talking about a free resource, which sparked this debate. That's also where i draw the line between publisher and non-publisher. If you're not doing this as a business, then you're not a publisher, you're a hobbyist. Now, there are grey areas in that...I am fully aware...but when *I* talk about the difference between pub/non-pub, that's what I use to make my distinction.</p><p></p><p>I'm very confused that Phil would rather someone rip his OGC and make money off it than someone who just puts it out there for free...I'd rather nobody make money of my stuff but me, at least when presented in large quantities. I would have no problem someone using a few bits here and there, but when you take my entire product, then sell it as the same thing, I would have a problem with that MORE than the guy who just puts it out for everyone.</p><p></p><p>And I don't think that OGC must be free because it's open. I think that anyone has the right to MAKE it free if they so choose, because they have that option granted by the OGL. Morality aside, I'm very surprised that nobody has done this yet. I've thought about it myself but ditched due to lack of time (read: too lazy to do the work).</p><p></p><p>I do support the possibility of OGC being free much like the way open source and linux works. You can get it all free, if you want to go to the store and buy it...all the more power to you. Guys who write awesome programs and open the source really DO do it for the love of the game. All they want is a little credit line that says that they did it.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I think one of my earlier suggestions would be the best way to approach OGC in that you HAVE to reference where it comes from right in the product. What is sad to me is the fact that publishers keep such tight knits on the products, that you can't even VOLUNTARILY say "I got this from 13 magical pipe cleaners by Ronin Arts." I am not allowed to say where I got it, the source is just a line in sec 15 that says some of my work may have been taken from that, or even derived from that, I just can't tell you what parts are derived from that, even though you might find that book useful because my stuff is really based ON that book.</p><p></p><p>Plus, once you cite something like A&A, your section 15 just goes right down the crapper because you have 100 or more books listed in it.</p><p></p><p>Question to publishers in the thread:</p><p>If I specifically asked to say "This came from XXX by Company YYY" to give you a big plug, would you let me do it? (By "I" and "me" I really mean...any other publisher, as I am not one)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jezter6, post: 2766555, member: 6567"] Agreed. The OP was talking about a free resource, which sparked this debate. That's also where i draw the line between publisher and non-publisher. If you're not doing this as a business, then you're not a publisher, you're a hobbyist. Now, there are grey areas in that...I am fully aware...but when *I* talk about the difference between pub/non-pub, that's what I use to make my distinction. I'm very confused that Phil would rather someone rip his OGC and make money off it than someone who just puts it out there for free...I'd rather nobody make money of my stuff but me, at least when presented in large quantities. I would have no problem someone using a few bits here and there, but when you take my entire product, then sell it as the same thing, I would have a problem with that MORE than the guy who just puts it out for everyone. And I don't think that OGC must be free because it's open. I think that anyone has the right to MAKE it free if they so choose, because they have that option granted by the OGL. Morality aside, I'm very surprised that nobody has done this yet. I've thought about it myself but ditched due to lack of time (read: too lazy to do the work). I do support the possibility of OGC being free much like the way open source and linux works. You can get it all free, if you want to go to the store and buy it...all the more power to you. Guys who write awesome programs and open the source really DO do it for the love of the game. All they want is a little credit line that says that they did it. Personally, I think one of my earlier suggestions would be the best way to approach OGC in that you HAVE to reference where it comes from right in the product. What is sad to me is the fact that publishers keep such tight knits on the products, that you can't even VOLUNTARILY say "I got this from 13 magical pipe cleaners by Ronin Arts." I am not allowed to say where I got it, the source is just a line in sec 15 that says some of my work may have been taken from that, or even derived from that, I just can't tell you what parts are derived from that, even though you might find that book useful because my stuff is really based ON that book. Plus, once you cite something like A&A, your section 15 just goes right down the crapper because you have 100 or more books listed in it. Question to publishers in the thread: If I specifically asked to say "This came from XXX by Company YYY" to give you a big plug, would you let me do it? (By "I" and "me" I really mean...any other publisher, as I am not one) [/QUOTE]
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