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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nikchick" data-source="post: 2785028" data-attributes="member: 344">Um, you bold Pramas' quote about "struggle" but ignore the bit where he says all the obvious books of that sort have been done.  And, in keeping with the premise that Thieves World stuff isn't "real" D20 support because it's support for a campaign setting and not "core" enough, let's be fair and apply that standard to your list below as well.Obvious book of a sort that's been done several times.So is Thieves World's different magic system ok to call D20 support then?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Seriously, I repeat: obvious book of a sort that's been done several times.As you point out above, obvious book of a sort that's been done several times.Good!  Classic!  Adventure support.  Now I understood that WotC hoped that D20 publishers would provide adventure support because adventures were not the sorts of things they could profitably do in house, but I have also been hearing people calling for more adventures as D20 publishers have backed off producing them, so I'm not going to knock WotC for putting out adventures.Obvious book of a sort that's been done several times.  Sensing a theme here...D20 FUTURE support.  Does this qualify as "core D20"?Totally obvious book of a sort that's been done oodles and oodles of times.Obvious book of a sort that's been done several times.Does Eberron qualify as "core D20" or is it one of those wacky campaign setting support books that only appeals to a subset of customers?Some people might read "updating old stuff" as "can't find anything that isn't totally obvious and been done to death already, let's dust off some classics for an update" but I personally don't take that cynical a view.  Still, the argument can be made that dusting off the oldies for an update signals the kind of "struggle" for good material that Pramas was talking about.Haven't these sorts of books already been done several times?See my other questions regarding "core D20 support" vs. support books for campaign settings.Yay!  Miniatures!  I absolutely do not consider D&D Miniatures sets "core d20 support," though, and nothing whatsoever to do with the OGL.Hey, this one has potential.  I like it.Dare I say it?  Obvious book of a sort that's been done several times.Because all those monster books that have come out over the last five years still haven't given us every possible permutation?  I think this is the very definition of a totally obvious book of a sort that's been done several times.Eberron again.  Whether this is "core d20 support" depends on how you judge Eberron, but I call it campaign setting support.In the mold of Iron Heroes.  Been done, at least a couple of times.Again with the campaign setting specific support books.</blockquote>

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