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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 9639174" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>I've never been a fan of "I got mine, so nuts to you all" standpoints, which is why I think that making derivative content necessarily open is a good thing. That way, you can not only help folks navigate this, but also provide them with content they can use to make a richer and more vibrant community.</p><p></p><p>I thought you were just saying that it was bad that WotC did exactly this, releasing an SRD that was open while making sure that (almost) everything else they published was closed content. Given that it strikes me as axiomatic (and virtuous) that using open content from the community means that you should give back the material you derive from said content to said community, the parsing of two different documents (one open and one not) seems like extra work just so you can make sure to hold more back.</p><p></p><p>The point of that quote was that nothing (in the law) is absolutely certain until a judge rules on it (and honestly, not even then, since there's an appellate process); that doesn't mean that all threats are equally credible, i.e. don't treat the "coin flip" part of that as meaning it's literally a 50/50 chance of winning on the merits.</p><p></p><p>Again, that "suspect" status is based around issuing threats whose legality was never tested, and anyone can throw unsubstantiated legal threats at anyone for anything at any time. If it never gets to the point of court documents being filed, then what people are turning on is the <em>appearance</em> of strength/weakness, which is not the same thing as the <em>actual</em> strength/weakness.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you mean by "owe [me] anything," but I am curious if the material you've released under the CC has A) used material from other products that was declared open, and B) released the resulting derivative material as open. Can you speak more about that, in detail?</p><p></p><p>Let me rephrase this: what's your stance, as a publisher, on making derivative content (where "derivative" means "derived from open content") itself open?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 9639174, member: 8461"] I've never been a fan of "I got mine, so nuts to you all" standpoints, which is why I think that making derivative content necessarily open is a good thing. That way, you can not only help folks navigate this, but also provide them with content they can use to make a richer and more vibrant community. I thought you were just saying that it was bad that WotC did exactly this, releasing an SRD that was open while making sure that (almost) everything else they published was closed content. Given that it strikes me as axiomatic (and virtuous) that using open content from the community means that you should give back the material you derive from said content to said community, the parsing of two different documents (one open and one not) seems like extra work just so you can make sure to hold more back. The point of that quote was that nothing (in the law) is absolutely certain until a judge rules on it (and honestly, not even then, since there's an appellate process); that doesn't mean that all threats are equally credible, i.e. don't treat the "coin flip" part of that as meaning it's literally a 50/50 chance of winning on the merits. Again, that "suspect" status is based around issuing threats whose legality was never tested, and anyone can throw unsubstantiated legal threats at anyone for anything at any time. If it never gets to the point of court documents being filed, then what people are turning on is the [I]appearance[/I] of strength/weakness, which is not the same thing as the [I]actual[/I] strength/weakness. I'm not sure what you mean by "owe [me] anything," but I am curious if the material you've released under the CC has A) used material from other products that was declared open, and B) released the resulting derivative material as open. Can you speak more about that, in detail? Let me rephrase this: what's your stance, as a publisher, on making derivative content (where "derivative" means "derived from open content") itself open? [/QUOTE]
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