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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Larcen" data-source="post: 1316586" data-attributes="member: 2406">I am thinking of selling my DM on letting me have an ogre for the 4th level PC I am rolling up, so I looked up the rules for them...and promply fell out of my chair.   WOW.  Can this be correct?  I get, among other things, 4 levels of giant for the cost of 2 character levels??   This seems to good to be true.  For  reference, here is the writeup:=====================OGRES AS CHARACTERSOgre characters possess the following racial traits.— +10 Strength, –2 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, –4 Intelligence, –4 Charisma.—Large size. –1 penalty to Armor Class, –1 penalty on attack rolls, –4 penalty on Hide checks, +4 bonus on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits double those of Medium characters.—Space/Reach: 10 feet/10 feet.—An ogre’s base land speed is 40 feet.—Darkvision out to 60 feet.—Racial Hit Dice: An ogre begins with four levels of giant, which provide 4d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +3, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +4, Ref +1, and Will +1.—Racial Skills: An ogre’s giant levels give it skill points equal to 7 x (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1). Its class skills are Climb, Listen, and Spot.—Racial Feats: An ogre’s giant levels give it two feats.—Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An ogre is automatically proficient with simple weapons, martial weapons, light and medium armor, and shields.— +5 natural armor bonus.—Automatic Languages: Common, Giant. Bonus Languages: Dwarven, Orc, Goblin, Terran.—Favored Class: Barbarian.—Level adjustment +2.====================Man oh man, this guy is just gonna rock as a 2nd level barbarian.   I may even have him move into Dragon Disciple some day.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Anyway, am I reading all this right?  I lose two character levels and get 4 giant levels, and hit dice, in return?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></blockquote>

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