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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1320058" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>I'll skip over most of it, sorry if I was jumping the gun. I have seen way too many people just law down 'the law' about how great their old games were run even though some people had straight 6's and others had straight 25's.</p><p></p><p>Whether or not someone can have fun is just so far outside of the debate as to be pointless <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> That is all, plus it seems that people will say that sort of thing as above, plus say, 'you are the dm, your word is law, rule 0 is king, dont bother making any points'.. personally I would prefer to just talk things out, see how they stand, and then make judgements</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately it is hard on here usually, just from the sheer complication of useing a language that is full of errors or miscommunications.</p><p></p><p>I'll state again about the half orcs, they are boring. Even the human is boring to some degree, but he is meant to be so versitile that it isnt even funny. that extra feat of your choice, plus skill points to put where ever you want make for a huge amount of diversity and so in the end they have flavor.</p><p></p><p>Dwarves.. well, we wont talk about them much, other than saying they have a huge pile of abilities.. most of which are flavorful.. the power of them is generally considered very high</p><p></p><p>elves.. immunity to sleep magic? almost never comes up, but it is nice flavor yes? weapon proficiency, shows some of their racial heritage. Bonus to a few skills, shows off their incredible senses. Walking within 5 feet of something secret, not terribly powerful but very cool.</p><p></p><p>gnomes.. various illusion bonuses, bonuses against certain races, listen and alchemy bonuses, plus a spell like ability. None of these really raise the power of the race by a lot, but they do add a lot of flavor, something to make them unique.</p><p></p><p>halfelves.. these guys at least got a bit of a boost in 3.5.. in 3.0 I gave them the choice of either the +1 skill point per level or the bonus feat. before that no one even considered taking them, why bother? if you want elf traits be an elf, if you want human traits be a human.. now at least they have some more power behind them, something to make them more interesting and flavorful.. they get some bonuses to a few skills, more so than either parent, more than the sum of the parts if you will..</p><p></p><p>halflings.. what is more cool than being part Ling? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> they get bonuses to listen, climb, jump and move silently. making them seem like small, silent stalkers as we all know true lings are.. bonuses to a few saves, and even bonus to some throwing! just little things mostly, but they are all very nice, and help to show the race apart from the others..</p><p></p><p>now we get to halforcs.. they have.. orc blood.. usually a penalty.. an extra -2 penalty to stats, and darkvision.. so basically all they have going for them is darkvision and ... well.. they are.. umm.. part orc..</p><p></p><p>it would seem easy and prudent to give them a few little things to make them more unique, more flavorful, better at least slightly at something.. I have listed various things they could have been given before.. but still, just give them something!!</p><p></p><p>I said that those who take it are generally more rollplayers than roleplayers, and I still think that is true. They take it for the +2 str and who cares about the rest? Others may take it to be different or whatever, but they could do that with any race so that isnt exactly a ringing endorsement for this one.</p><p></p><p>I definately feel that everything should be fairly equal in the baseline, ESPECIALLY in the core material. The fact that this guy hasnt gotten upped at least a little is just plain shocking.. maybe someday though..</p><p></p><p>Again, sorry if I overreacted to your statement, still not sure if I did or not as you restated the same thing again <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> saying that you had fun with unbalanced things just isnt relevant, you may be really good at roleplaying.. others need a bit more help, and it just helps a great deal to make things even to begin with, give everyone interesting options, and make every choice something that is unique in some way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1320058, member: 5777"] I'll skip over most of it, sorry if I was jumping the gun. I have seen way too many people just law down 'the law' about how great their old games were run even though some people had straight 6's and others had straight 25's. Whether or not someone can have fun is just so far outside of the debate as to be pointless ;) That is all, plus it seems that people will say that sort of thing as above, plus say, 'you are the dm, your word is law, rule 0 is king, dont bother making any points'.. personally I would prefer to just talk things out, see how they stand, and then make judgements Unfortunately it is hard on here usually, just from the sheer complication of useing a language that is full of errors or miscommunications. I'll state again about the half orcs, they are boring. Even the human is boring to some degree, but he is meant to be so versitile that it isnt even funny. that extra feat of your choice, plus skill points to put where ever you want make for a huge amount of diversity and so in the end they have flavor. Dwarves.. well, we wont talk about them much, other than saying they have a huge pile of abilities.. most of which are flavorful.. the power of them is generally considered very high elves.. immunity to sleep magic? almost never comes up, but it is nice flavor yes? weapon proficiency, shows some of their racial heritage. Bonus to a few skills, shows off their incredible senses. Walking within 5 feet of something secret, not terribly powerful but very cool. gnomes.. various illusion bonuses, bonuses against certain races, listen and alchemy bonuses, plus a spell like ability. None of these really raise the power of the race by a lot, but they do add a lot of flavor, something to make them unique. halfelves.. these guys at least got a bit of a boost in 3.5.. in 3.0 I gave them the choice of either the +1 skill point per level or the bonus feat. before that no one even considered taking them, why bother? if you want elf traits be an elf, if you want human traits be a human.. now at least they have some more power behind them, something to make them more interesting and flavorful.. they get some bonuses to a few skills, more so than either parent, more than the sum of the parts if you will.. halflings.. what is more cool than being part Ling? ;) they get bonuses to listen, climb, jump and move silently. making them seem like small, silent stalkers as we all know true lings are.. bonuses to a few saves, and even bonus to some throwing! just little things mostly, but they are all very nice, and help to show the race apart from the others.. now we get to halforcs.. they have.. orc blood.. usually a penalty.. an extra -2 penalty to stats, and darkvision.. so basically all they have going for them is darkvision and ... well.. they are.. umm.. part orc.. it would seem easy and prudent to give them a few little things to make them more unique, more flavorful, better at least slightly at something.. I have listed various things they could have been given before.. but still, just give them something!! I said that those who take it are generally more rollplayers than roleplayers, and I still think that is true. They take it for the +2 str and who cares about the rest? Others may take it to be different or whatever, but they could do that with any race so that isnt exactly a ringing endorsement for this one. I definately feel that everything should be fairly equal in the baseline, ESPECIALLY in the core material. The fact that this guy hasnt gotten upped at least a little is just plain shocking.. maybe someday though.. Again, sorry if I overreacted to your statement, still not sure if I did or not as you restated the same thing again ;) saying that you had fun with unbalanced things just isnt relevant, you may be really good at roleplaying.. others need a bit more help, and it just helps a great deal to make things even to begin with, give everyone interesting options, and make every choice something that is unique in some way. [/QUOTE]
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