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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elric" data-source="post: 1321712" data-attributes="member: 1139">jgsugden- that's a good point.  I wasn't using the number here so much to show the half-ogre overpowered as much as I was illustrating DM_Matt's character, who was overpowered in our group.  Context will mean a lot for half-ogres, just like any other character.  Saeviomagy- you actually get the exact same results that I do, accounting for rounding errors.  I'm sorry if you didn't like the format that I put them in.Edit- when I said that the HOgre takes 20% more strikes to drop because of his AC, I meant that based on ACs alone.  Then when you add the hit points back into the equation, the HOgre comes out very slightly ahead.Large size is a problem in confined areas.  However, some of the time you want to clog up a greater area- large size is an advantage there.  Combat Reflexes means that you can take attacks of opportunity while flatfooted.  Also, 10-foot reach makes it easier to get full attacks in at higher levels.  Enemies have a much harder time grappling/tripping you and if you use these maneuvers, you have a much greater chance of success than a medium-sized character.Orcs with no daylight penalties would be the strongest ECL 0 race for a strength based melee fighter/barb type.  Obviously, they still wouldn't be good Sorcerers.</blockquote>