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<blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 771339" data-attributes="member: 8704"><p>No, my personal timeline is pretty stable</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Wasn't the whole premise of the movies Michael J Fox trying to fix all the wierd things that happened when he disturbed the timeline? I didn't freak out because he wasn't trying to mess with the past he was trying to make everything go back to normal.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I do believe they went through great lengths not to disturb the timeline, I mean wasn't that the whole reason for them sneaking around and hiding.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes but I don't care about a alternate universe and obviously I'm not alone. I do see what you are saying but in TV world they are just doing what they want and not even remotely trying to stick to the given history. They don't care about the given history they change it at the drop of a hat, the only reason for it to be in any way related to the other Star Trek properties is name relation, other thatn that they are just writing it from scratch, and yes this episode draws from one of the movies and yes they might find a way to cover it up so nobody knows exactly what happened but chances are they won't. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>If you want to have a show that doesn't have to worry about a huge in depth mythology written up around it then do a new show, do a original show, Star TreK shows have decades of background history, they have a definatly defined timeline that shows how things came about. They have spent 30 years adding detail and depth to this, why throw it out? Why throw out a 30 year old foundation that is known and loved by 100's of millions of fans worldwide just for the sake of giving a little more freedom in writing the script?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>....................I have lost touch? the show has huge conventions and speakers, they made a movie about the fans of the show. I am not saying anything bad about these people, heck I am friends with a lot of these people, they are not a handful of 15 year olds, I'm talking about a huge amount of people, (I was a Star Wars one, my best friend makes his own lightsabers, we are in our 30's) These people have normal lives they just love the show, they love to talk about the shows, they love to know every detail about the shows, they are the ones who keep the shows going. Yes there is a large demographic of viewers but a Star Trek series target audience should be Star Trek fans, if not then who are you trying to get to watch the show? If my remarks sounded offensive to those people then I apologise because many of those people are good friends of mine, my comments weren't meant to be a negative view of them, heck in a lot of ways I am one of them. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>No Drama, I just don't like the show because it steps on a lot of toes, and I am sure that I am not alone, I was just giving my opinion on the show. Yes it is continuing from a movie and if you watched the movie one of the big points in it was them worrying about how much they should or should not do for fear of damaging the timelines. They were trying to fix history not arbitrarily changing it to pop a rating. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>They didn't mess with the timeline they did time travel, and they were always worried about how it would affect the future, one of the big points with every episode or movie that dealt with time travel was them worrying about how their actions would affect the future. Maintaining and explaining the history of the Federation is is also classic Star Trek, why the heck do they ram the Prime Directive down your throat every other episode, not changing things they shouldn't mess with or worring about the repercussions of their actions is a huge part of Star Trek. As far as reducing their ability to be creative, they are the ones who created this huge and detailed fictional history, how is following what they wrote reducing their ability to be creative, it's their creation to start with. And to top it all off how is rehashing the Borg (or any other established race that isn't supposed to be there) being creative to start with, why don't they just take the old scripts and just change the names? Part of the whole problem here is the lack of creativity, they are rehashing races and storylines. How many races out there have yet to be ran into the dirt could they do stories about? Why can't they come up with new and different species instead of having the Ferengi show up? The show isn't doing as well as they would like, The Borg will pop a rating, it's has nothing to do with creativity it's trying to pop a rating on name recognition. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes it was, and maybe we shoudn't give them any ideas, next thing you know the whole Enterprise series could just be a glitch in Data's memory processors. Newhart was also drawing things together with his old show too. Maybe if I watched Enterprise and thought of it as a comedy........</p><p></p><p>I think the big point here is that I am allowed to not like this show and to say "Hey I don't like this show". I don't take it personal, I don't have any drama in my life about it, I don't loose sleep, but why should I be forbidden from giving my opinion. My opinion is valid and seems to be shared my many other people. They don't have to change the show for me they can do what they like, and I am free to not like what they are doing, no harm no foul.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jdavis, post: 771339, member: 8704"] No, my personal timeline is pretty stable Wasn't the whole premise of the movies Michael J Fox trying to fix all the wierd things that happened when he disturbed the timeline? I didn't freak out because he wasn't trying to mess with the past he was trying to make everything go back to normal. I do believe they went through great lengths not to disturb the timeline, I mean wasn't that the whole reason for them sneaking around and hiding. Yes but I don't care about a alternate universe and obviously I'm not alone. I do see what you are saying but in TV world they are just doing what they want and not even remotely trying to stick to the given history. They don't care about the given history they change it at the drop of a hat, the only reason for it to be in any way related to the other Star Trek properties is name relation, other thatn that they are just writing it from scratch, and yes this episode draws from one of the movies and yes they might find a way to cover it up so nobody knows exactly what happened but chances are they won't. If you want to have a show that doesn't have to worry about a huge in depth mythology written up around it then do a new show, do a original show, Star TreK shows have decades of background history, they have a definatly defined timeline that shows how things came about. They have spent 30 years adding detail and depth to this, why throw it out? Why throw out a 30 year old foundation that is known and loved by 100's of millions of fans worldwide just for the sake of giving a little more freedom in writing the script? ....................I have lost touch? the show has huge conventions and speakers, they made a movie about the fans of the show. I am not saying anything bad about these people, heck I am friends with a lot of these people, they are not a handful of 15 year olds, I'm talking about a huge amount of people, (I was a Star Wars one, my best friend makes his own lightsabers, we are in our 30's) These people have normal lives they just love the show, they love to talk about the shows, they love to know every detail about the shows, they are the ones who keep the shows going. Yes there is a large demographic of viewers but a Star Trek series target audience should be Star Trek fans, if not then who are you trying to get to watch the show? If my remarks sounded offensive to those people then I apologise because many of those people are good friends of mine, my comments weren't meant to be a negative view of them, heck in a lot of ways I am one of them. No Drama, I just don't like the show because it steps on a lot of toes, and I am sure that I am not alone, I was just giving my opinion on the show. Yes it is continuing from a movie and if you watched the movie one of the big points in it was them worrying about how much they should or should not do for fear of damaging the timelines. They were trying to fix history not arbitrarily changing it to pop a rating. They didn't mess with the timeline they did time travel, and they were always worried about how it would affect the future, one of the big points with every episode or movie that dealt with time travel was them worrying about how their actions would affect the future. Maintaining and explaining the history of the Federation is is also classic Star Trek, why the heck do they ram the Prime Directive down your throat every other episode, not changing things they shouldn't mess with or worring about the repercussions of their actions is a huge part of Star Trek. As far as reducing their ability to be creative, they are the ones who created this huge and detailed fictional history, how is following what they wrote reducing their ability to be creative, it's their creation to start with. And to top it all off how is rehashing the Borg (or any other established race that isn't supposed to be there) being creative to start with, why don't they just take the old scripts and just change the names? Part of the whole problem here is the lack of creativity, they are rehashing races and storylines. How many races out there have yet to be ran into the dirt could they do stories about? Why can't they come up with new and different species instead of having the Ferengi show up? The show isn't doing as well as they would like, The Borg will pop a rating, it's has nothing to do with creativity it's trying to pop a rating on name recognition. Yes it was, and maybe we shoudn't give them any ideas, next thing you know the whole Enterprise series could just be a glitch in Data's memory processors. Newhart was also drawing things together with his old show too. Maybe if I watched Enterprise and thought of it as a comedy........ I think the big point here is that I am allowed to not like this show and to say "Hey I don't like this show". I don't take it personal, I don't have any drama in my life about it, I don't loose sleep, but why should I be forbidden from giving my opinion. My opinion is valid and seems to be shared my many other people. They don't have to change the show for me they can do what they like, and I am free to not like what they are doing, no harm no foul. 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