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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7420875" data-attributes="member: 996">Just stop and think about that for a moment, folks.&nbsp; 5e has 'gone' a considerable way, but the edition immediately prior to it had gone further.&nbsp; So it has actually /not/ gone in that way, at all, it's merely backed off from it, just not all the way back.&nbsp; Once again, 5e gets credit for moving forward when it's been going backwards.&nbsp; &nbsp; Even in 4e, you theoretically needed a 'leader' Role to restore hps &amp; generally support the party, you were just free to fill that slot with a variety of concepts running the gamut of Sources.&nbsp; In 5e you can be a nature-oriented healer (Druid, maybe Ranger a bit), a divine healer (Cleric or Paladin), or an arcane healer (if you have a good singing voice: Bard).&nbsp; In 4e you could also be a psionic leader (Ardent) or martial leader (Warlord), and had more than one choice of primal (Shaman as well as Sentinel Druid) and even arcane (Artificer as well as Bard), oh, yeah, and Divine, again (RunePriests as well as Clerics &amp; secondary-leader Paladins).&nbsp; &nbsp;The Cleric's still the cleric - the armored pious glowy guy who heals and turns undead.&nbsp; I've been calling it 'support' because healer is too narrow, and leader is too 4e.&nbsp; ;P&nbsp;The cleric was just standing too close to the paladin when you went off.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7420875, member: 996"] Just stop and think about that for a moment, folks. 5e has 'gone' a considerable way, but the edition immediately prior to it had gone further. So it has actually /not/ gone in that way, at all, it's merely backed off from it, just not all the way back. Once again, 5e gets credit for moving forward when it's been going backwards. Even in 4e, you theoretically needed a 'leader' Role to restore hps & generally support the party, you were just free to fill that slot with a variety of concepts running the gamut of Sources. In 5e you can be a nature-oriented healer (Druid, maybe Ranger a bit), a divine healer (Cleric or Paladin), or an arcane healer (if you have a good singing voice: Bard). In 4e you could also be a psionic leader (Ardent) or martial leader (Warlord), and had more than one choice of primal (Shaman as well as Sentinel Druid) and even arcane (Artificer as well as Bard), oh, yeah, and Divine, again (RunePriests as well as Clerics & secondary-leader Paladins). The Cleric's still the cleric - the armored pious glowy guy who heals and turns undead. I've been calling it 'support' because healer is too narrow, and leader is too 4e. ;P The cleric was just standing too close to the paladin when you went off. [/QUOTE]

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