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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 7422716" data-attributes="member: 6688937">I've never actually seen a Cleric (or played one, FTM) who actually spent any time ministering or running a church or community. (Beyond preaching from the business end of mace) In fact, the only thing I see clerics behaving as are heavy casters...with HEALING! Were there &quot;Congregation&quot; rules somewhere that I missed. (I'm not sure I'd count the following tables from 1e.) This impression is, I think, doubly enforced when historically one man's priest is another man's wizard is another man's demon-pact holding foul miscreant. In that regard, I can certainly understand the desire to play a heavy caster with healing. The fluff for most D&amp;D classes is mostly irrelevant. (The 5e Ranger, is an example of one that isn't as much so. Its abilities are heavily thematic.)Personally, I'd be fine if the cleric class evaporated and its pieces and facets became scattered.Zealot Warrior - PaladinSpellsy guy, heavy with healing magic - some kind of Wizard or Sorcerer subclass (might make more sense in Sorcerer).Charismatic leader of church - I think that's already a background...or mostly anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 7422716, member: 6688937"] I've never actually seen a Cleric (or played one, FTM) who actually spent any time ministering or running a church or community. (Beyond preaching from the business end of mace) In fact, the only thing I see clerics behaving as are heavy casters...with HEALING! Were there "Congregation" rules somewhere that I missed. (I'm not sure I'd count the following tables from 1e.) This impression is, I think, doubly enforced when historically one man's priest is another man's wizard is another man's demon-pact holding foul miscreant. In that regard, I can certainly understand the desire to play a heavy caster with healing. The fluff for most D&D classes is mostly irrelevant. (The 5e Ranger, is an example of one that isn't as much so. Its abilities are heavily thematic.) Personally, I'd be fine if the cleric class evaporated and its pieces and facets became scattered. Zealot Warrior - Paladin Spellsy guy, heavy with healing magic - some kind of Wizard or Sorcerer subclass (might make more sense in Sorcerer). Charismatic leader of church - I think that's already a background...or mostly anyway. [/QUOTE]

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