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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Drawmack" data-source="post: 397275" data-attributes="member: 4981">The problem comes in the fact that people seem to claculate CR and ECL by different standards. The way that I see it is that CR = the level of a party of four that this creature can take 20% of the resources from. This means that a CR 4 should take 20% of the resources from a party of four fourth level characters.Since each character holds 25% of the resources of the party this means that this monster can take 95% of the resources of any given individual in that party. This however does not mean that this creature is only 95% as stong as any member because he can take the punishment from the entire party while dealin out this damage. So I would say that if you take CR * 5 (cause 5 * 20 = 100) you get the ECL of a monster. The core books do not use this philosophy.[code][color=white]race     CR  ECL====     ==  ===Elf      1/2 1Human    NA  1Half-Elf 1/2 1Half-Orc 1/2 1Halfling 1/2 1Gnome    1/2 1[/color][/code]so it appears that ECL = CR * 2, but this does not seem to make any sense. Going by this ration a 20th level wizard is equal to a young adult green dragon. Take a look at the stats on this monster:Hit Dice: 17d12 + 108AC: 25BaB: +22Fort/Ref/Will: +14, +10, +1210d6 breath weapon, Fear DC 20, SR 19, DR 5/+1, Caster level is 3rd.This is not equivocal to a 20th level human fighter, however using my method of CR * 5 this nasty becomes a ECL of 60 (50 for the dragon and 10 for the character levels). That sounds about right ro me.I like the idea of ECL. However I find the implementation lacking. Since CR is the amount of damage that a creature can to do a party and ECL is the amount of levels a character needs to equal a monster then I feel that there should be a formula directly relating the two and they should be dependent on one another.</blockquote>

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