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<blockquote data-quote="Squire James" data-source="post: 234888" data-attributes="member: 548">Every class has to make a &quot;guns or butter&quot; decision once in a while.&nbsp; Many fighters slap their 3 highest stats in Str, Dex, and Con automatically, and use Wis as their &quot;dump stat&quot; (almost as often as Cha).&nbsp; This tends to yield fighters who can dish out damage, take damage, and have good Fortitude and Reflex saves.&nbsp; Will saves are pretty much left out in the cold.A fairly good Wis (say 14) and the Iron Will feat will give a level 1 fighter a Will save of +4.&nbsp; Most Will saves you make at this point are DC 14-16, so you should succeed about half the time.&nbsp; Compare this to the Wis 8 fighter with no save-altering feat with a Will save of -1 (fail 70-80% of the time).&nbsp; While the first character will have one less offensive combat feat (perhaps he can only take Power Attack and must save Cleave for later), in a spell-heavy environment he'll use what he has more than the second character will.If said &quot;Wisdom fighter&quot; takes Alertness along with his Iron Will and Power Attack (or is an elf and forgoes Alertness), he also has +4 to Spot and Listen at level 1 with no ranks.&nbsp; Occasionally getting to act in the surprise round is good (and Spot/Listen checks normally decide such things).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Squire James, post: 234888, member: 548"] Every class has to make a "guns or butter" decision once in a while. Many fighters slap their 3 highest stats in Str, Dex, and Con automatically, and use Wis as their "dump stat" (almost as often as Cha). This tends to yield fighters who can dish out damage, take damage, and have good Fortitude and Reflex saves. Will saves are pretty much left out in the cold. A fairly good Wis (say 14) and the Iron Will feat will give a level 1 fighter a Will save of +4. Most Will saves you make at this point are DC 14-16, so you should succeed about half the time. Compare this to the Wis 8 fighter with no save-altering feat with a Will save of -1 (fail 70-80% of the time). While the first character will have one less offensive combat feat (perhaps he can only take Power Attack and must save Cleave for later), in a spell-heavy environment he'll use what he has more than the second character will. If said "Wisdom fighter" takes Alertness along with his Iron Will and Power Attack (or is an elf and forgoes Alertness), he also has +4 to Spot and Listen at level 1 with no ranks. Occasionally getting to act in the surprise round is good (and Spot/Listen checks normally decide such things). [/QUOTE]

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