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<blockquote data-quote="Bozo" data-source="post: 236996" data-attributes="member: 1957">PleaseThose of you who play wizards and whine about reflex saves should be shot. The wizards in the group I play with (12-15th level characters) Have protection spells to wazoo not to mention magic items they have created. Wizards are not as bad as priests in 3E but as a general statement I would say a party of all wizards would defeat a balanced party in most circumstances. One on one I think a wizrd could take on just about anything whereas the other classes (with the exception or priest) need the support of a wizard to function....Wizard vs Fighter....hold monster/pocket knifeWizard vs Rogue...blind sight/hold monster/pocket knifeWizard vs Monk..fly/ imp-invisibilty...then start the assault..sooner or later the monk will fail a saveI know some smart allec is gonna make a dead magiv zone comment..but really the wizards can just hire mercenaries to take care of that.....&nbsp;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bozo, post: 236996, member: 1957"] [b]Please[/b] Those of you who play wizards and whine about reflex saves should be shot. The wizards in the group I play with (12-15th level characters) Have protection spells to wazoo not to mention magic items they have created. Wizards are not as bad as priests in 3E but as a general statement I would say a party of all wizards would defeat a balanced party in most circumstances. One on one I think a wizrd could take on just about anything whereas the other classes (with the exception or priest) need the support of a wizard to function.... Wizard vs Fighter....hold monster/pocket knife Wizard vs Rogue...blind sight/hold monster/pocket knife Wizard vs Monk..fly/ imp-invisibilty...then start the assault..sooner or later the monk will fail a save I know some smart allec is gonna make a dead magiv zone comment..but really the wizards can just hire mercenaries to take care of that..... :mad: :mad: :mad: [/QUOTE]

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