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Message: <blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 4256500" data-attributes="member: 62560">I don't have the books yet, and I'd like a little check on the numbers.  It's my understanding that a starting wizard in 4e has (after character creation is complete) 5 spells to choose from, plus cantrips.(2 at-wills, 1 encounter, 2 dailies).According to the 3.5 PHB, a wizard has (after character creation) 3+int modifier spells to choose from, plus cantrips.  That's usually 6-8 spells.Are my numbers right?  If so, is the difference really that significant?  Especially when you remember that the 4e wizard gets to use four of those during the day, many of them several times, while the 3e gets to use at most 3 total spells a day?For someone who has the information, how many spells does a 4e wizard know at 20th level, to compare to the 44-46 spells a 3e wizard learns due to being a wizard?(I'm not counting spells purchased with money or found as treasure, under the assumption that rituals will provide the 4e wizards with additional options purchasable with money or findable as treasure).</blockquote>