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Okay so you hate Dragonlance, how can the current designers improve it?
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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 2113833" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p>There is nothing wrong with DragonLance at all and Sovereign Press is doing an excellent job.</p><p></p><p>If you haven't noticed, every hardcover Sov Press has put out for DL has sold out and are about to go into their second printings = except for WotL and that's because they printed more of those <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. (An excellent book by the way.)</p><p></p><p>Part one of their fifth age adventure Key of Destiny - a fatty at 180+ pages - sold out. In an age where adventures don't sell - DragonLance adventures do.</p><p></p><p>If there is problem with DragonLance, its people's attitude towards it. You get it from DL's detractors - and you get it from a lot of its fans too:</p><p></p><p>it's the novels, pure and simple.</p><p></p><p>There are more DL novels than there are for any other world. Given the sheer volume and mass, and the popularity of the "core" novels by Weis which sell like bejeezus, there is this dogged belief that the game setting should, nay *must* reflect these novels.</p><p></p><p>It's ironic, because the Chronicles were based on the game setting, not the other way around. But it has come full circle now and new fans want the game setting to reflect the novels.</p><p></p><p>Problem is: There are too many novels and no central editing. It's just not possible for the game world to reflect all of this - and the more you try, the more you surrender your game world to the next big metaplot.</p><p></p><p>You end up having your game world being run by an author who is getting paid to write the Next Big Thing. And that is a prescription for disaster.</p><p></p><p>So it's simple: don't do that. Keep the setting the way you like it - read the novels for what they are - and make your game world your own. If you let someone else DM your world for you - it will be a disaster. That is true no matter what setting you are referring to.</p><p></p><p>I run a dreaded "alternate history" of Krynn set in the War of the Lance. That means the Chronicles never happened - and virtually everything that followed them never happened. It's my world - and I can do with it what I want. I pick and choose, plain and simple. </p><p></p><p>I think all DMs should do this - but for some reason - (probably because the DL Chronicles have sold 20 million copies and have rabid fans who want to recreate them) a LOT of DL fans and DMs cannot bring themselves to do this.</p><p></p><p>Small wonder there are those who dislike DL. I'd hate it too if I had a crappy DM run FR Eberron or what have you for me too.</p><p></p><p>It's not the setting; it's the DM and the players. DL under Sovereign Press is moseying along quite nicely, thank-you-very-much. Demonstrably. they don't need any advice from ENWorlders. They are one of the few publishers who are selling out their licensed D20 material.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 2113833, member: 20741"] There is nothing wrong with DragonLance at all and Sovereign Press is doing an excellent job. If you haven't noticed, every hardcover Sov Press has put out for DL has sold out and are about to go into their second printings = except for WotL and that's because they printed more of those :). (An excellent book by the way.) Part one of their fifth age adventure Key of Destiny - a fatty at 180+ pages - sold out. In an age where adventures don't sell - DragonLance adventures do. If there is problem with DragonLance, its people's attitude towards it. You get it from DL's detractors - and you get it from a lot of its fans too: it's the novels, pure and simple. There are more DL novels than there are for any other world. Given the sheer volume and mass, and the popularity of the "core" novels by Weis which sell like bejeezus, there is this dogged belief that the game setting should, nay *must* reflect these novels. It's ironic, because the Chronicles were based on the game setting, not the other way around. But it has come full circle now and new fans want the game setting to reflect the novels. Problem is: There are too many novels and no central editing. It's just not possible for the game world to reflect all of this - and the more you try, the more you surrender your game world to the next big metaplot. You end up having your game world being run by an author who is getting paid to write the Next Big Thing. And that is a prescription for disaster. So it's simple: don't do that. Keep the setting the way you like it - read the novels for what they are - and make your game world your own. If you let someone else DM your world for you - it will be a disaster. That is true no matter what setting you are referring to. I run a dreaded "alternate history" of Krynn set in the War of the Lance. That means the Chronicles never happened - and virtually everything that followed them never happened. It's my world - and I can do with it what I want. I pick and choose, plain and simple. I think all DMs should do this - but for some reason - (probably because the DL Chronicles have sold 20 million copies and have rabid fans who want to recreate them) a LOT of DL fans and DMs cannot bring themselves to do this. Small wonder there are those who dislike DL. I'd hate it too if I had a crappy DM run FR Eberron or what have you for me too. It's not the setting; it's the DM and the players. DL under Sovereign Press is moseying along quite nicely, thank-you-very-much. Demonstrably. they don't need any advice from ENWorlders. They are one of the few publishers who are selling out their licensed D20 material. [/QUOTE]
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