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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SWBaxter" data-source="post: 3091383" data-attributes="member: 27926">This is an example of how subjective the definitions are, I wouldn't consider any of those light. To me, something like Feng Shui is on the outer edges of what I consider light, and that's at least an order of magnitude lighter than any of the three you mention. Since you do consider those three light, then I have a hard time conceiving of any currently published game that'd count as heavy. The current heavyweights such as D&D, Hero, GURPS, and similar games are not extraordinarily more complicated than those three, basically they have more character generation/advancement options but in play they still hum along pretty well in the hands of a group that's somewhat familiar with the rules so they fit your medium criteria. You'd have to go back to games like Aftermath or 1st edition Chivalry and Sorcery to find something really heavy.IMHO, game design has come quite a long way, in that even games with a lot of rules generally do a good job of streamlining play. The light/heavy distinction doesn't have a lot of utility to me any more, I find it more useful to think of games as tightly vs. broadly focused, or setting-specific vs. setting-neutral, or player-fiat vs. GM fiat.</blockquote>