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[Old Debate] Is the caster level of items a prerequisite?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1188775" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Um... then what is the meaning of "The caster level is determined by the item itself"?</p><p></p><p>If the caster level that is determined by the item itself is the level of the creator, and the creator must have at least the caster level of the caster level of the item, then that means that the creator must have a caster level at least equal to the caster level of the creator... which, while always true, is a major waste of two sentences.</p><p></p><p>"The caster level is determined by the item itself" means that the caster level of a Pearl of Power is 17 - determined by the item, not the creator.</p><p></p><p>"The creator’s caster level must be as high as the item’s caster level" means that the creator of a Pearl of Power must be at least level 17, since the caster level (for anything but a potion, scroll, wand, or staff) is determined by the item, not the creator.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Scroll or wand doesn't work, in this case. It's not "Prerequisite: <em>cure light wounds</em>", which can be supplied by activating an item. It's "Prerequisite: ability to cast...", which activating an item doesn't supply. Otherwise someone could use a Wand of Enervation to qualify for a prestige class with the requirement "Ability to cast 4th level arcane spells".</p><p></p><p>They <em>could</em> (arguably) get someone else who could cast spells of the required level to cooperate in the construction. And as long as at least one of them has a caster level of 17, that works just fine.</p><p></p><p>I like Monte Cook's 3.5 answer the best. "Yes, that's what the book says..." (because it <em>is</em>) "... but it's not what we meant."</p><p></p><p>Which gives people a House Rule with the Designers' Seal of Approval, if they choose to implement it.</p><p></p><p>I <em>don't</em> like the answers that say "That's not what the book says", because those answers are incorrect.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1188775, member: 1656"] Um... then what is the meaning of "The caster level is determined by the item itself"? If the caster level that is determined by the item itself is the level of the creator, and the creator must have at least the caster level of the caster level of the item, then that means that the creator must have a caster level at least equal to the caster level of the creator... which, while always true, is a major waste of two sentences. "The caster level is determined by the item itself" means that the caster level of a Pearl of Power is 17 - determined by the item, not the creator. "The creator’s caster level must be as high as the item’s caster level" means that the creator of a Pearl of Power must be at least level 17, since the caster level (for anything but a potion, scroll, wand, or staff) is determined by the item, not the creator. Scroll or wand doesn't work, in this case. It's not "Prerequisite: [i]cure light wounds[/i]", which can be supplied by activating an item. It's "Prerequisite: ability to cast...", which activating an item doesn't supply. Otherwise someone could use a Wand of Enervation to qualify for a prestige class with the requirement "Ability to cast 4th level arcane spells". They [i]could[/i] (arguably) get someone else who could cast spells of the required level to cooperate in the construction. And as long as at least one of them has a caster level of 17, that works just fine. I like Monte Cook's 3.5 answer the best. "Yes, that's what the book says..." (because it [i]is[/i]) "... but it's not what we meant." Which gives people a House Rule with the Designers' Seal of Approval, if they choose to implement it. I [i]don't[/i] like the answers that say "That's not what the book says", because those answers are incorrect. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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