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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 4502744" data-attributes="member: 10177">All I can tell you is how I handle this issue. IF its a 500 pound boulder that needs to be rolled over, then its CL 2 no matter what the level. However, as things level up it is then adjusted by the level of whomever put the obstacle in your way. Which to me makes sense, they have learned lots of neat little tricks to make things less difficult and would make someone capable of beating that CL adjustment up to bypass it with no check needed.As for a 10th level character, or someone with Strength as Prime, they know a lot more tricks for overcoming that obstacle, so that 500 lbs boulder is going to be a much easier obstacle to figure out a way to over come it. If they have a Girdle of Hill Giant Strength its a completely moot point and not even enough of a challenge to require a roll.As a way to illustrate, a 1st level fighter is probably very likely to over come the challenge of the boulder and just get as best a grip as he can on it and lift/push it over. A 10th level fighter is much more likely to find a strong piece of wood about 8 feet in length and a small rock to use as a fulcrum point and easily roll the boulder over or aside. Now if the level one fighter thinks to use the strong stick and stone fulcrum the CK gives a +10 bonus to their check.Failure on such a check probably means the stick broke or the fulcrum stone rolled out from under the stick, or some other similar "problem", and a retry with a flatter stone or stronger stick would be possible.So I see the issue as a problem of how the CK fails or succeeds in adjudicating the challenge, not a problem with the system.</blockquote>

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