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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheFindus" data-source="post: 5839249" data-attributes="member: 75791">You put the question very bluntly. "Idiot" is such a strong word. But I think that "unfairness" does not make a better game, no.Wandering monsters rolled out of a table with no connection to the story make a much lamer game to me. They serve no purpose at all. In my opinion, stuff like this makes for C movies, which are a waste of precious lifetime.Also, a TPK is not something to be proud of unless it serves a story purpose. You know, the valiant heroes all die a meaningful death. But: "Oh, you all died because you could not climb the wall" serves no purpose. This is meaningless.I have experienced two TPK in 25+ years of gaming and none of them are talked about in a funny or nostalgic way. Instead, everybody says: What a very crappy way to end this game (they say "scheisse" in german). Over time, you connect with the character and want to tell the story you are playing to the end with him or her. In that way, TPK is like coitus interruptus.DnD is heroic fantasy game. If I want to play a non-hero character, I play Harnmaster.But you are right: This is THE difference in 4E game play (and I would say 3e as well). And the reason why 4E is in many ways awesome. The awesomeness should carry on to the next edition.</blockquote>