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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5840598" data-attributes="member: 42582">I think you are talking about the right things, but your account of the fictional posititionin in the new school (4e) example is out in one respect - the giant's distance from the cliff is a state of affairs in the fiction, which is a necessary input into the player's decision making and engagement with the mechanics.This is a terrific explanation of martial dailies. In the fiction, as a general rule they are no different from martial at wills or encounter powers - they are just the fighter "doing his/her schtick", and doing it well. It is only for the player that the mechanical difference exists.I take it that you don't want Fate/Hero points, because these are a metagame resource?I think I understand you - in that, yes, if you add Fate Points to a game like Rolemaster you can get something more metagame-y in character, but you can't take a metagame-y game like 4e and easily turn it into something sparse like Runequest or (some versions of) Rolemaster.This is true, but I'm not sure what follows from it. For example, 4e is a much better game for getting the gonzo fantasy experience it provides than would be Rolemaster with Fate Points put on top of it. And a game like Burning Wheel, which arguably fits the description of simulationinst mechanics plus Fate Points, has a lot of other stuff going on besides those Fate Points (at a minimimum, Let it Ride, its rules for PC advancement, and its guidelines for adjudicating failed checks) that differentiates it from Rolemaster, RQ, 3E etc, and that make it a good vehicle for narrativism.</blockquote>

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