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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SKyOdin" data-source="post: 5841035" data-attributes="member: 57939">I think you are overthinking things and making far too many assumptions about how people play 4E. Right now, I am running a one-on-one 4E campaign, and my singular level-1 player just picked a fight with a nine lizardmen, all of whom were significantly higher in level than him. He did so by getting ahead of them and dropping a rock-slide on their heads. It wasn't nearly enough to kill them, but it was enough to confuse and distract them long enough for my player to rescue some prisoners. He then managed to lose the lizardmen during a breakneck pursuit through the forest. It doesn't hurt that the dice gods seem to favor those who make bold and audacious plans.I had not intended my player to take on this kind of group, but he chose to take the risk anyway, and used out of the box thinking, tactics, preparation, and terrain to get an advantage. I had to make a lot of on-the-fly rulings, but I think the 4E rules helped me a lot here. 4E's rules are very robust, and can be adapted to handle all sorts of situations. It is also the case that it is more fair to the players to throw really tough challenges at them where they might have to run away. In my example, one of the Lizardmen did get the opportunity during the chaos to get an attack in on my player's PC. If this was 3E, that PC would be dead right now. But 4E PCs are a bit more resilient from the get go, so they actually have the opportunity to get away if a plan goes south. I think it actually encourages players to attempt using crazy plans against crazy powerful opponents, since they actually do have the means to survive a brief engagement.In any case, I think there is a world of difference between how a D&D book reads to someone, and how a game actually unfolds in play. You can't make arguments about how a game plays in practice based solely on how it sounds on paper. You at the very least need anecdotal evidence. And in my experience, D&D players who enjoy crazy plans are going to attempt them, regardless of what edition they are playing.</blockquote>

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