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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 5326431" data-attributes="member: 51325">From Memory:&nbsp;Sleep is ineffective versus elves, creatures of 4 HD and higher and undead.&nbsp;That's a LOT of creatures that you encounter in lvls 1-3 which Sleep WAS an auto-win. At the least, it would significantly change the outcome of a battle unlike say magic missile &nbsp;The only times when sleep was &quot;useless&quot; in my experience was versus undead (Sleep becomes an auto-fail in Ravenloft to use the &quot;auto&quot;-meme) and &quot;boss fights - the ogre is the endboss of a level for example&nbsp;The elves ability to NOT be subject to sleep was rarely used against opponents since elves frankly were rarely the bad guys AND most DMs weren't as &quot;fair/mean&quot; (- take your pick) to use sleep versus the party.&nbsp;Sleep IMO definitely fits the category of BEST/Upper-Tier spells in pre 3e. Hell, it became so annoying that once my DM even offered a player the choice of gaining double the number of 1st levels spells if they were randomly picked versus picking the 1d4 number of spells you got to choose by the rules IIRC.&nbsp;The player STILL took the latter option.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 5326431, member: 51325"] From Memory: Sleep is ineffective versus elves, creatures of 4 HD and higher and undead. That's a LOT of creatures that you encounter in lvls 1-3 which Sleep WAS an auto-win. At the least, it would significantly change the outcome of a battle unlike say magic missile The only times when sleep was "useless" in my experience was versus undead (Sleep becomes an auto-fail in Ravenloft to use the "auto"-meme) and "boss fights - the ogre is the endboss of a level for example The elves ability to NOT be subject to sleep was rarely used against opponents since elves frankly were rarely the bad guys AND most DMs weren't as "fair/mean" (- take your pick) to use sleep versus the party. Sleep IMO definitely fits the category of BEST/Upper-Tier spells in pre 3e. Hell, it became so annoying that once my DM even offered a player the choice of gaining double the number of 1st levels spells if they were randomly picked versus picking the 1d4 number of spells you got to choose by the rules IIRC. The player STILL took the latter option. [/QUOTE]

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