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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 890368" data-attributes="member: 221"><p>Evolution is the same idea. The monkey theory was first put forward to help show that evolution was true. That is why those who believe in evolution have to believe in the monkey theory. You can't have the one without the other.</p><p></p><p>I have however tried to stay away from arguing evolution. Arguing probability is in this case just as good.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually probability does break down when structure and design are involved. There is a reason you will never find a casino complete with flourescent lights carved out of the rocks by natural wind and erosion. Random chance is not good at producing design.</p><p></p><p>There are a couple of issues. One, which I pointed out is the fact that in a random drawing you are just as likely to draw an e as a z. Not so in language. I still would be interested in seeing how long it would take a random computer program to produce even a fullintelligible sentence. </p><p></p><p>Furthermore, when looking for a specific outcome in any random generation you have lowered your likelyhood of getting what you want. If youwant to roll a 6 on a six sided dice, the odds are one in 6. But there is a 5 in 6 chance of getting something else. Thus while theoritically the odds of any one outcome arising are the same, the likelyhood of a nonspecific outcome is always greater than that of a specific. When you start to really multiply this into the millions, the odds of getting any one result getting smaller and smaller until statisticians feel comfortable telling you a thing will never happen in this universe. I believe the number thrown about is the the improbability equal to the number of particles in the universe. Therefore, while the monkey theory may (and I stress may cause there are other issues with it) be valid in a infinite universe with infinite time our universe has neither.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 890368, member: 221"] Evolution is the same idea. The monkey theory was first put forward to help show that evolution was true. That is why those who believe in evolution have to believe in the monkey theory. You can't have the one without the other. I have however tried to stay away from arguing evolution. Arguing probability is in this case just as good. Actually probability does break down when structure and design are involved. There is a reason you will never find a casino complete with flourescent lights carved out of the rocks by natural wind and erosion. Random chance is not good at producing design. There are a couple of issues. One, which I pointed out is the fact that in a random drawing you are just as likely to draw an e as a z. Not so in language. I still would be interested in seeing how long it would take a random computer program to produce even a fullintelligible sentence. Furthermore, when looking for a specific outcome in any random generation you have lowered your likelyhood of getting what you want. If youwant to roll a 6 on a six sided dice, the odds are one in 6. But there is a 5 in 6 chance of getting something else. Thus while theoritically the odds of any one outcome arising are the same, the likelyhood of a nonspecific outcome is always greater than that of a specific. When you start to really multiply this into the millions, the odds of getting any one result getting smaller and smaller until statisticians feel comfortable telling you a thing will never happen in this universe. I believe the number thrown about is the the improbability equal to the number of particles in the universe. Therefore, while the monkey theory may (and I stress may cause there are other issues with it) be valid in a infinite universe with infinite time our universe has neither. [/QUOTE]
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